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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host we have chris cogswell

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on the show tonight he was on a couple

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years ago

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um he's really a very

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nice guy real fun to be on the show i'm

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glad he

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chose to uh come back when i asked him

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and he is the chair

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of the science advisory board of sky hub

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this is something

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fairly new which he has gotten into and

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skyhub is a worldwide

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basically a worldwide search for ufos

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using a global network

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of machine learning smart cameras and

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sensors

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sensor arrays built by you

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yes you with uh their open source

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software

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and this is actually the the largest

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they're trying to create the largest

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observational science

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project in history wow

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that's amazing um so i have to tell you

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one of the benefits of doing

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a show like this is sometimes i get to

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see things ahead of

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uh most people and um and not i'm not

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trying to sound like i'm bragging or

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anything like that i'm just

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i'm excited to tell you that i did get

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to watch the screener for the phenomenon

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and uh it totally lives up to the great

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work

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that you would expect from james fox

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if you watched out of the blue or i know

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what i saw

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films like that that he's done in the

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past and i'll tell you at the

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ending of the movie it's very very

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moving

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and if you're newish to the ufo field

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you're not going to want to miss this

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because uh there's a

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a lot you can learn by watching this and

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i'll tell you if you were

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if you were a skeptic you'd be thinking

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twice if uh

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you know i know how a skeptic is

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probably not going to watch

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a show about ufos uh just because

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but if some do they're gonna maybe think

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a little bit on some things that are

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undeniable so you can pre-order this

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now on apple tv um amazon prime

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uh vemmo and vudu

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and i gotta tell you i got uh contact

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today from

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someone from canada um and he says

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he can't because he's canadian he can't

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ca or anything like that he's tried uh

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all the other programs and he just can't

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from canada and i'm sorry about that and

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that message

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i sent over to get to james fox

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and uh he's going to be looking into

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that see if he can solve that

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that problem i want to thank everyone

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that listens to the show and i also want

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to thank everyone behind the scenes

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that helps out tonight we do not have

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a phone screener we do not have a phone

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there is something wrong with the phone

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hopefully that will be fixed by next

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and so if you are going to ask questions

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in chat please do all caps so i don't

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miss them

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and please be kind to each other and

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so also we have a very active facebook

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simulcast on facebook

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as well and that's at

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basically facebook slash podcast ufo.com

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there's about 20 some odd thousand

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people over there it's pretty active

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a lot of times there's new news put up

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support the show i really couldn't do it

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link over there at podcastufo.com

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and while you're there check out the

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latest blog by charles lear

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it's titled michigan ufos on radar and

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it's about a night back in

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march i guess it was march 8 1994

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meteorologist jack bushong

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was manning the national weather service

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and he saw

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after he was contacted about some ufos

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he actually saw them on radar it's a

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very interesting story

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and as i mentioned here in the last

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number of shows

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charles lear the author of the blog is

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creating an audio blog that's going to

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be posted here in youtube also wherever

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um it's going to be in that feed as well

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and let's see um i think

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that is going to just about do it for

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us and let me do a little

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of an adjustment here and actually you

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going to be working on that making it

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better and now for now we're bringing

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chris cogswell welcome to the show hey

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martin thanks so much for having me

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thank you i guess it's been two years at

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flying a lot has happened yeah i guess

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so it's been it's been a while

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more more than i expected it had been

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actually time flies when you're having

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yeah a lot's happened in this uh in the

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ufo field it seems like

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you know there's something going on

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that is uh that is true yeah stuff

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oh my goodness i don't know stuff just

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goes crazy you know stuff

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stuff happens all the time here so it's

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pretty intense but we are we're excited

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to be uh helping out as as much as we

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right and we're gonna be talking about

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that now you went to the same school my

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son did it first

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unh and uh and uh yeah wildcats

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and uh you got your phd i forget where

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university oh nice school great school

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yeah and and uh and what did what did

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thesis it sounds so complicated or some

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you never know so basically can you tell

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topic or other topics so you talk about

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scientist is that what that's called

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matt scientist podcast the mad scientist

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i kind of got involved i guess you know

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all right see everyone she works so

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what i mean i really i should get out of

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the podcast game and get into the

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curdled yogurt game clearly you know uh

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lemon uh formula you know but uh

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my mom who my mom has always kind of

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and horror movies and all that when i

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um you know she was really open to me

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reading about like new religions and new

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ideas and stuff like that

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interested in science fiction and

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science

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the ufo topic was kind of a no-brainer

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because it was you know of those

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sort of uh 40 and mysterious whatever

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the ufo subject is the closest uh

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in my mind has always been the closest

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to being real you know what i mean

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there's the best evidence for it in my

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um and so i always loved the topic and

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you know once i ordered once i had that

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first book and heard the first story

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uh there was no going back yeah

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yeah there are there's so many there's

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this really you know it can't be denied

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the edge i was just kind of reminded

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that there's just so many in that movie

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there's just

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uh and it's quite a compilation of of uh

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you know sightings and witnesses and

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there wasn't one witness in that

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entire movie that i thought well you

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know maybe i don't believe him i'm i

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mean they're

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all so believable there's really

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something happening

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and uh undeniable sure yeah it's hard

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you know

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that's the one thing to me that has

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always been so interesting is

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and it's part of why i got involved in

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you know so your listeners may not know

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this so i got

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i originally got involved in this

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subject actually at unh doing philosophy

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research

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on science and technology and and why

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certain scientific ideas are accepted

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and others aren't

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and then i went to grad school obviously

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and in grad school i missed

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talking about this sort of subject so i

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decided to

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start my podcast which is the mad

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scientist podcast

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and on that show we talk about kind of

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the scientific

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you know ideas and philosophy and

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everything else behind these subjects

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and one thing we always talk about on

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the show is the fact that you know

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if you have a single weird event case or

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even like just a cluster of cases

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that it's interesting but still

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explainable

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but when you have something like the ufo

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subject which appears to span

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decades upon decades of of information

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thousands of people every year report

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something um

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you know families have consistent

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experiences over time

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it is very interesting and i think very

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compelling um

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and part of the reason why i became

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involved in groups like say sky hub

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or even the scu before it or even the

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little bit that i was at move on

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the goal has always been to try and

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use big data methodologies and data

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analytics

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to cut through the noise you know you

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can

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disbelieve

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a single case even if the witness is

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stellar even if there's evidence for the

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case right

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but what you can't ignore is a continued

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pattern of cases

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that to me is really the goal with these

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subjects like this

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yeah i mean you're right i mean just for

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70 years you know uh and long before

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that but i mean like a steady

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70 years more or less now with your

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your your background and you just talked

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about your thesis

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um the let's just say like uh

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nano metamaterials i don't even know if

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that's quite the right

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term but um would you think that if

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we had crash material

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like that it's been talked about you

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know quite a bit lately in the news and

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you know the new york times and all that

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um

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if we actually had a crashed vehicle is

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that what we'd look for

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something very strange that would have

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to be manufactured

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and or could it you know i mean

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they could be using the same material we

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would use also yeah so that's a really

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it's a really

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good question and it's a very

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complicated it has a lot of parts it has

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a lot of moving parts

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you know the example i give is just

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imagine

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you know if we think that as a

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civilization or a species that is able

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to travel here

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from far away um they would have to be

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thousands of years advanced from us even

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given the curve of the way the

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technology progresses here

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we would think that it would it would

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have to be at least a couple thousand

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years

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uh potentially if we just think about

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let's do something relatively simple a

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cd-rom

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someone a hundred years ago

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right so just a laserdisc cd-rom they

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would have

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no idea what it was for right they would

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have no there'd be no concept even about

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this is for storing information or this

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is for

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um you know as far as they're aware it

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maybe is a kind of mirror

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maybe it's like a flying like it's a toy

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like right there

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it's hard to grasp even the point of the

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material

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but what they would be able to tell is

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that the material has clearly

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been engineered in some way so what i

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mean by that is for example

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the um the layers the layer itself of

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the material

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very

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specifically built right in a way that

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we don't anticipate would happen in

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nature there may be

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um properties of the material for

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example on a laser

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or on a disk rather on a cd-rom the um

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the surface has been polished to such an

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extent

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and it's been made defect-free as

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defect-free as we can

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um that is something that we don't

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expect to occur in nature so

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i would argue that if we're looking at a

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crashed material or if we're looking at

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a crashed vehicle

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we probably would be looking for

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materials and so although we may not

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know what they're

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used for what their application is

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we should be able to tell at least these

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have been engineered these have been

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made in a way that we don't expect to

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happen on earth yeah

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but you know uh and i hear a lot of

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times when people are speculating that

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you know there's almost like we know

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about all the elements so

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these elements could be used anywhere

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you know from anywhere in the universe

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or they could be from right here so

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there's no way of knowing but uh

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you know i would imagine that it's

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possible that there are some elements

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that we haven't discovered yet

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i mean in or elements in parts of the

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universe that may not be

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uh here so besides just so okay the

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elements

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there are we anticipate that there would

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be elements above say

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element i think it's like 118 which are

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stable

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it's called the island of stability

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which is this idea in atomic

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chemistry and kind of nuclear physics

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nuclear chemistry

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that these elements would be more stable

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than say the radioactive elements we

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know today

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right there is a limit though on how

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stable something could be

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but there are some theories out there

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that maybe there is chemistry

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of these super heavy elements right for

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example that's one potential thing

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but we don't even have to get that

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complicated um we

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don't you know when a meteorite crashes

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on earth today or when a piece of space

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debris

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crashes on the earth today researchers

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on earth

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actually get that material and then

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they'll study it for

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crystal structures alloys material

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phases

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things like that which don't normally

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occur on the surface of the earth

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right so that's actually how a lot of

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research into things like say

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metal or rather magnets today occur

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or other kind of high performance

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materials or alloys

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are not really alloys they're crystal

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structures or semi-crystalline

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structures

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we look to see are there combinations

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that occur someplace else

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that don't normally occur on earth right

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and what i mean by what i mean by

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um what i mean by say a combination

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is something like um actually this might

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be a good

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a good chance to show my screen yeah

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sure

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so just remember you can choose the

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window or tap

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perfect yeah actually let me let me

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share my screen here

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and i'm going to do the whole screen and

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nothing but

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share this the whole screen is nothing

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but the screen right

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okay you ready great yep i'm ready all

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right

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um okay let me just uh switch these two

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hang on

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let's not let me do it wonder why so

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miniaturize yourself

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um if you can you'll see a place where

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you can

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pop yourself out uh down at the bottom

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um i don't want to remove you yeah

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let me see if i can uh there we go

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okay are we good yep we're good perfect

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okay great

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so um this is for example the crystal

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structure of

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sodium chloride which is just table salt

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right

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and you'll notice that these sodium and

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chloride ions

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they actually exist um in a repetitive

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structure

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right because it's a crystal it's a

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crystalline structure but you can

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imagine

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that if instead of it being sodium

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chlorine sodium chlorine

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it was say sodium nothing

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chlorine nothing sodium right so you can

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have different permutations

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of the same of the same molecule or of

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the same crystal

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that form in different ways so and that

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would give us

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different um what's the word that would

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give us different

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ultimate properties of the final

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material

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so even though we might know all the

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elements we can't possibly know

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all of the different ways that they'll

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be put together ah and so

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and even in solid materials that are

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simple right so sodium chloride

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we know that it has this phase let's say

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right so we can do here like

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phase diagram let's say steel

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right so we know for example steel

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is a certain structure right important

549
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all of these different uh phases here

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right gamma or austenite

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steel um here we have alpha plus iron

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carbon steel

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or ferrite steel right depending on the

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conditions

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steel ends up becoming different solid

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structures

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and so this is for example an area where

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we might expect there to be

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um new materials that we would get from

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say a crashed saucer or something

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would be okay maybe we have a good idea

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that this is how iron behaves in these

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regions of temperature and pressure

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right or temperature and composition in

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this case but maybe there's a region

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someplace

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here for example you know we've never

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studied all of these areas

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on this graph right so there might be

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places that are

571
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,159
uh that come up with what are called new

572
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,840
thermodynamic phases

573
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,280
of these crystals or these solid

574
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:27,520
structures that we don't anticipate

575
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,400
occurring

576
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:31,440
on earth you know so i see there might

577
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,000
be

578
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,600
imagine the temperature if we're at very

579
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,120
very high temperatures

580
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,720
there might be completely different

581
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,320
phases of steel

582
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,919
that we've never discovered we've never

583
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,159
worked on before just because we've

584
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,760
never tried it so

585
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,600
you know we anyone who tells you we know

586
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,600
everything about the earth right now

587
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,960
we know everything about science we know

588
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,200
whatever you know peop

589
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,880
people have been claiming that we know

590
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:54,960
everything about the physical world

591
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:57,440
since ancient greece and they've never

592
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,080
been right

593
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,159
and they will never be right you know

594
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,240
there's always something new to learn so

595
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,559
yeah it's a good it's a great question

596
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,520
though

597
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,559
yeah well i i i think it is it is

598
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,760
interesting when you

599
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:12,240
you really think about um you know you

600
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:13,200
just mentioned the different

601
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:14,480
temperatures and things

602
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,840
like that uh that can cause uh

603
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,240
uh but also that you're saying that

604
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,679
things could be put together

605
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,280
in different ways that we're just not

606
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,080
familiar with is that kind of word um

607
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,320
absolutely yeah yes absolutely you know

608
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:30,240
the another good example from baking

609
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,120
again because i'm

610
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,679
i'm a simple man i love cake and pies

611
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,520
and everything else right i love baking

612
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,919
so another good example of baking is you

613
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:39,200
can imagine

614
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,440
you can have flour eggs milk and butter

615
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,799
but you can put them together in

616
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,919
different ways and bake them at

617
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,760
different temperatures and times and

618
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,640
and and everything else and you can get

619
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:52,240
completely different results right you

620
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:53,039
can get

621
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,840
let in regular cake and

622
00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:00,000
whatever right um creams and all this

623
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,120
other kind of stuff

624
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:03,280
so really when it comes to making

625
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,559
materials

626
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,320
it is a lot more complicated than just

627
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,400
the elements put together right it's the

628
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,360
elements

629
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,280
it's the time that you give them to

630
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,280
build it's the temperature it's the

631
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,799
pressure it's the

632
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,880
mixture ratios it's all of those other

633
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,080
things right

634
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,320
um so yeah no there are there are loads

635
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,200
of other

636
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,559
phases of material that we haven't

637
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:25,360
discovered yet all right well i it looks

638
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,799
like someone in the chat room's getting

639
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,559
right into your

640
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:31,039
skyhub i want to talk about that he has

641
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,919
a question for you

642
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:34,480
about the cameras but let's uh why don't

643
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,520
we jump into that

644
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:37,120
we got plenty plenty of time to talk

645
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,640
about all kinds of things

646
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:41,919
but uh let's talk about sky hub and

647
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,039
and how that all began uh the founder

648
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,520
contacted you or how did that happen

649
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,720
yeah so skyhub

650
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,320
actually it's funny there have been for

651
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,840
a long time there have been

652
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,720
a couple of well for a long time um

653
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,360
there have been

654
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,120
efforts in the past to do something

655
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,960
similar to what skyhub is doing now

656
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,360
right yeah um so actually the first one

657
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:02,720
of the first systems that was built to

658
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,520
do this

659
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,760
was called a baker none camera system

660
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,840
and that was built in like the 1960s

661
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,080
1950s by nasa

662
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,520
and what they were trying to do was

663
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,840
actually to study um the motion of

664
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,960
satellites

665
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,159
right because this was the first time

666
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,080
that this had happened we suddenly have

667
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,679
things flying in the sky above us all

668
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,679
the time in near-earth atmosphere

669
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,280
so they would develop these systems to

670
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,880
try to try to track

671
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,480
how those objects are moving in in the

672
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,000
sky um

673
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,840
over time obviously the technology

674
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,200
that's needed for this

675
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:33,440
has gotten better and better and better

676
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,320
so

677
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:37,360
the um the system that we use today at

678
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:38,559
sky hub

679
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,760
is a you know

680
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,799
the computer itself is very small it is

681
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,679
maybe about three inches by four inches

682
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,159
uh

683
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,240
large so it's a very small system it's a

684
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,360
very small unit

685
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,120
um i actually have one running right now

686
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,880
just right on my windowsill

687
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:56,240
um currently that's why i'm looking at

688
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:57,520
it to be like how big is that thing

689
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,080
about three

690
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,440
by five um and you know so

691
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,640
this effort essentially though really

692
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,000
kind of started

693
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,360
um as the brainchild

694
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,960
of a couple of folks on our team

695
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,960
currently so the

696
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,320
the people that kind of really put this

697
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,080
together right now

698
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,720
are steve mcdaniel corey gaspard and

699
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,080
then adam allen

700
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,080
um who actually were working in another

701
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,520
group previous to this

702
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,200
but decided to kind of break off and do

703
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,880
their own thing um

704
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,440
and so steve and corey are really the

705
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,480
the kind of

706
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,960
uh steve cory and al and adam i should

707
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,520
say

708
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,159
are the the co-founders of this group um

709
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,320
steve is the lead software developer

710
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,320
corey is the lead web developer or web

711
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,320
developer and then adam it does legal

712
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,159
affairs and data licensing for us

713
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,520
and then as we were as they were

714
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,120
building their team they actually

715
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,480
approached me a couple of times and

716
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,840
asked would you want to be

717
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,960
you know on the team would you want to

718
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,400
be chair of the science advisory board

719
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,000
would you want to do these other things

720
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,600
and actually the first couple of times i

721
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,440
i turned them down because i was like

722
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,200
well you're making a lot of promises but

723
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:01,120
i want to see some results right i want

724
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:01,440
to

725
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:04,559
does this thing work does it work um and

726
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,200
they have

727
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,640
that in fact it does work and

728
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,679
not only um not only does it work but

729
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,679
someone who is as bad with computers as

730
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:15,279
i am can put one together and have it

731
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:16,159
running

732
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,760
so um we're we're pretty excited so

733
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,760
anyways they asked me to take part in

734
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,200
this and i accepted

735
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:25,360
and since then now we have been uh kind

736
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:26,400
of moving forward

737
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,840
we've added onto the team a couple of

738
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,679
other people as we go forward here

739
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,840
um richard hoff has been helping us with

740
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,520
machining and design of the actual

741
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,120
enclosures themselves

742
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:38,559
so the system the the kind of computer

743
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,919
um the cameras the gps the sensor

744
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:43,840
modules all of those things

745
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,039
are um we wanted to use as

746
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,679
uh basically as cheap options as we

747
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,200
could while they're still

748
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:53,600
formidable enough to do what we want

749
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,400
them to do

750
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,840
they still have the computing power we

751
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:57,600
need and they're still able to kind of

752
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:00,960
exist out there in the elements

753
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,320
yeah well these can be in in and out

754
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,440
the any any elements like in alaska or

755
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,200
someplace like that

756
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,840
um so we haven't tested them in alaska

757
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,880
yet

758
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,360
but the goal would be here that they

759
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,039
would be able to withstand

760
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:19,840
um kind of average ranges of temperature

761
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:20,320
and

762
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:26,640
things like that so

763
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,840
currently we have them running um

764
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,400
in so we have a couple in texas we have

765
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,720
one here in massachusetts where i am

766
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,279
we have one in delaware um and then we

767
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,039
have one in austria and i want to say we

768
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,640
have one in france as well

769
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,919
so far wow um the team we haven't

770
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,279
officially launched yet

771
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,120
these are all tests uh these are all

772
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,880
test devices right now

773
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,200
i see um to do this um however as

774
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,799
someone in the chat actually smartly has

775
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,159
pointed out already

776
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,279
we are essentially utilizing um the goal

777
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,600
so let me start from the beginning here

778
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:00,720
a little bit more

779
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:04,000
uh successfully i'll say um one of the

780
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,080
main problems with

781
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,880
the ufo subject for a long time has been

782
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,880
when there have been serious efforts to

783
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,000
collect data

784
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,360
the data ends up going into a black box

785
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,960
so for example if we think about you

786
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,880
know

787
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,799
large organizations that actually study

788
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,320
you know ufo cases

789
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,159
that data never makes its way out there

790
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,080
to the public and it's really hard to

791
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,360
get access to

792
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,399
um on the other hand when there have

793
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,399
been scientific efforts to do this work

794
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:35,440
say through um through the government or

795
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,000
through

796
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,919
you know organizations or universities

797
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,320
or whatever again that data has never

798
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,840
really been made available to the

799
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,120
average person

800
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,480
so the goal here is um

801
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,520
the goal here is to create a open source

802
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,240
data science platform where people can

803
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,760
build these themselves

804
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,679
they can then capture the video

805
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,120
themselves if they want

806
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,440
they can upload them onto our system so

807
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,880
that we can analyze them

808
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,640
and have them kind of come together into

809
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,559
one larger system

810
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,799
and then that data as we go through it

811
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,720
will be made available to the public

812
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,480
right so the goal here eventually is

813
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,159
that if we have one of these things

814
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,480
running and it's out there in the fields

815
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,720
you'll be able to get that data right

816
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,320
you you watching right now

817
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,320
on this video you in the chat will be

818
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,760
able to log on to that system and

819
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,760
see the data that's coming in um that's

820
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:25,520
really the ultimate goal here is to make

821
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:25,760
an

822
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,360
open source um relatively inexpensive

823
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,000
freely available database of software

824
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,200
that people can install

825
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,679
onto their linux machines so we use a

826
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,159
jets and nano currently

827
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,679
but they can follow along on the wiki

828
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,039
they can get the information on how to

829
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,399
build these things

830
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,799
and then um it'll run based on the

831
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,240
software that we've built

832
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,559
and are going to deploy to the public

833
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,520
now um

834
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,760
i'm on your checking out your site now

835
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,279
are you going to have

836
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,120
like a system where someone can log in

837
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,799
eventually

838
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,480
or is that is just going to be plain

839
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,720
open to you know i'm just thinking about

840
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,880
how people can submit

841
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,799
you know like if they become part of the

842
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,640
part of the program or whatever someone

843
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,600
wants to have a

844
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,000
camera i mean i live in this great area

845
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,520
up in maine on the coast

846
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,279
where i can see the milky way it's so

847
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,760
clear you know uh clear skies not saying

848
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,159
that

849
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:17,840
just because i can see the milky way i'm

850
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,880
going to see ufos but

851
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,799
no the so the goal would be basically

852
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,720
it's okay the way that it works

853
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,559
is let me show you my let me show my

854
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,640
screen again actually sure you bet

855
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,559
so people can kind of see what i'm going

856
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,190
so you ready can i yep i'm ready

857
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,399
okay okay so if people go to skyhub.org

858
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520
which is our website

859
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,360
they can see here join the chat and then

860
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,440
they can also download the source code

861
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,120
so if they want to be part of the chat

862
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:49,039
they just click on join the chat here

863
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,559
and it'll it'll bring them to what is

864
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,880
called rocket chat which is up here

865
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,320
um and this is the tool that we

866
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,880
currently are using right to do our chat

867
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,559
um our chat stuff and all the work that

868
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,320
we've actually been doing as we move

869
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,520
forward

870
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,600
if you want to learn how to build one of

871
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,640
these things

872
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,200
you would go here to resources and go

873
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,520
here to the wiki page

874
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,159
so on the skyhub wiki here we have a

875
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,679
thing that says okay how you can get

876
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,880
involved of course

877
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,120
but we also have here guides so if you

878
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,279
go to guides

879
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,360
we have how to set up your tracker how

880
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,279
to download and use the main interface

881
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,559
for skyhub

882
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,559
how to build your enclosure and then how

883
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,320
to do final checks and tests

884
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:31,120
before the tracker becomes deployed so

885
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:31,840
to speak

886
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,200
right so tracker setup here you can see

887
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,399
here what we need so you need these

888
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,760
internet cables you need the barrel

889
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,960
jacks these screws

890
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,440
etc etc but we talked about how to build

891
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,960
this right so here we have the jets and

892
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,080
nano platform

893
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:46,320
you apply the fan then you can set up

894
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,279
your psu

895
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,320
or you can just use the power connected

896
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,520
to your wall set up your sd card

897
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,080
right and run the actual um nano system

898
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,440
itself to begin with

899
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,720
and then set up your gps right so

900
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,559
what would this for just for the

901
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,760
listener out there

902
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,480
right now what would this uh pro what

903
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,080
would be the approximate cost is

904
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,240
to set this up for someone that is

905
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,840
really interested in helping out

906
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:14,000
yeah great question so the goal is to

907
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:14,960
make the system

908
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,640
cost about 300 now

909
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:21,039
what we are that 300 though doesn't go

910
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:22,159
to us right

911
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,679
that 300 goes to getting the fan getting

912
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:28,159
the ps getting the actual system itself

913
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,440
getting all the cords you need getting

914
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,080
the camera right all those other things

915
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,760
the goal really or really the challenge

916
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,480
i guess is building a system like this

917
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,799
that is accessible enough to average

918
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,519
people

919
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:41,120
you know none of us on the team are

920
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,399
millionaires right we don't have

921
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:44,159
unlimited funds to build these things

922
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:45,200
and everything else

923
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,039
um you know the sky hub the sky hub um

924
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,440
system right now that i have you know

925
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:53,200
that money came out of my beer fund you

926
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,720
know what i mean

927
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,480
that's you know it's you know it's for

928
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,640
the love of science though so it's fun

929
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:01,200
but um you know it's we want it to be

930
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,159
accessible to people

931
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,480
so you can build it you can run it we'll

932
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,919
help you troubleshoot we'll help you set

933
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,440
it up all those other things

934
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,399
but the bare minimum system that we

935
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,559
suggest would be about 300

936
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,200
now like i said though um if you have

937
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:16,880
extra money lying around if you're you

938
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:17,519
know a

939
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,919
uh startup millionaire or whatever you

940
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,519
can buy better system equipment right

941
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,039
like you can buy a better camera

942
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,880
you can buy a better gps you can buy a

943
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,440
better computer to run this thing on

944
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,559
all of that is also possible but

945
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,559
we want to have a minimum standard

946
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,200
whereby the vast majority of people

947
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,559
can buy the stuff they can put it

948
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:42,000
together themselves and they can run

949
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:42,640
this

950
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,720
stuff is kind of out of the box right

951
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,640
it's supposed to be plug and play

952
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:51,840
what we are actually giving though is

953
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,880
the um the software itself

954
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,080
right so if you go to our git lab

955
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,760
repository you can see all of the

956
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,279
software all the code

957
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:01,760
that we our team has built essentially

958
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,480
right it's

959
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,760
it's quite a bit um of code the the team

960
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,440
has been working really hard

961
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,559
um and there's a lot there but once

962
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,159
you've run it essentially

963
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,159
um you can then access your skyhub

964
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,320
system and then you can basically

965
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,159
uh you can basically run the camera

966
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:19,840
itself

967
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,630
no i have not okay someone uh was asking

968
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,240
it's some type of system someone was

969
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,919
asking why you wouldn't use that

970
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,799
um so i it's nothing i'm familiar with

971
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,600
so yeah so

972
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,279
most of the reason why we're using kind

973
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:37,279
of what we're using actually is because

974
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,159
it will connect

975
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,799
nice and easily to the sensor platforms

976
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,480
that we're hoping to utilize

977
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:44,640
so right now the current system so let

978
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,530
me go here

979
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:47,919
[Music]

980
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,240
here so sensor array right let me just

981
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,600
mention this to um

982
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,600
i'd say about eighty percent of the

983
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,880
listens to the show is

984
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,880
probably through the audio podcast so

985
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,120
i'm gonna have a link in the show notes

986
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,320
to the skyhub.org so you can check out

987
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,919
everything that uh chris is talking

988
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,799
about right now

989
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,919
yeah really really good call there so um

990
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:09,200
the reason we're using the stuff that

991
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,159
we're using currently

992
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:13,280
is because we are we are in development

993
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,000
currently

994
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,639
with building further sensor systems

995
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,960
right so example here this wit motion

996
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,960
does um kind of the motion or the

997
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,599
movement of the box itself right

998
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,679
some of these here temperature sensors

999
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:27,040
are eventually we're hoping to have

1000
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,320
things like infrared

1001
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,320
um or other radio signals or

1002
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,520
electromagnetic

1003
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,879
spectrum signals that we can do we have

1004
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,359
gps we have these other expansions and

1005
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,560
things like that so there's a lot of

1006
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,399
sensors that we can play with here

1007
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,760
um we're thinking about like stuff like

1008
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,000
geophones and uh

1009
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,320
you know geiger counters and all the

1010
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,320
kind of sensors you can think of

1011
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,520
but really for the first system here um

1012
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:52,000
it's it's simple right it's a camera it

1013
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:52,800
is a

1014
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:56,159
uh a gps uh dongle essentially and it's

1015
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,359
the computer itself

1016
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,760
that's the base level system you need

1017
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,359
now the ultimate goal

1018
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,440
of the system here so let me show you a

1019
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,119
little bit about

1020
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,960
so this is what we envision the ultimate

1021
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,400
enclosure will look like

1022
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,760
um there actually is one of these

1023
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,760
already in existence living out in

1024
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,560
austria

1025
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,960
um which is really cool but so if you

1026
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,480
look at the system here so this is a

1027
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,320
fisheye camera

1028
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,200
and then this is a pzt camera what the

1029
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,880
software actually does is as

1030
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,800
an object comes into the field of view

1031
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,640
of the fisheye camera

1032
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,880
it treats that as a point source and

1033
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,280
then it will tell the pzt camera

1034
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,440
to point over to that point source and

1035
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,160
then track it as it moves across the sky

1036
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,320
currently what works right now or what

1037
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,560
is in the first release of the system at

1038
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,760
this point in time

1039
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,160
is the fisheye camera so in other words

1040
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:45,839
if you build one of these your fisheye

1041
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,480
camera

1042
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,359
will be able to capture objects as they

1043
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,800
come into the field of view

1044
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,960
track them and then we're actually able

1045
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,839
to pull the data out of that and do some

1046
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,320
um

1047
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,560
image analysis essentially to get things

1048
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,880
like say a velocity and acceleration etc

1049
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,640
um all of that is kind of still in

1050
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,560
development past the v1 release

1051
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:07,200
but the simple v1 release is the camera

1052
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,079
system can track

1053
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:10,079
objects it'll be able to tell this is

1054
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,440
something out of the ordinary

1055
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,280
or this is something of interest and

1056
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,560
then it can actually upload it to the

1057
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,880
cloud automatically for us

1058
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,839
ah i'm going to just pop up quickly um

1059
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,200
this right here

1060
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,680
uh let's see yeah here let me stop

1061
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,480
sharing

1062
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:27,280
my yeah so uh this is uh what this

1063
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:27,839
person

1064
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,880
in in chat said it's called beagle bone

1065
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,800
i never heard of it it's a learning uh

1066
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,200
ai it's uh also crowd source

1067
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:37,119
i you know i don't know if it's

1068
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,240
something you can

1069
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,200
uh you know make work through this but

1070
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,640
anyway it's just a suggestion

1071
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,640
oh okay yeah the listeners yeah really

1072
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,920
good really good question a really good

1073
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,599
suggestion there so actually

1074
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,520
um the other reason that we're using the

1075
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:51,280
the jets and nano is that it's a nvidia

1076
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,079
platform

1077
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,760
so it already has a lot of out of the

1078
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,000
box software for things like say

1079
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,680
tracking of objects as they move

1080
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
across the screen and things like that

1081
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:01,680
so because of nvidia's

1082
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,119
uh because nvidia has such a robust

1083
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,200
developer community already there is a

1084
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,800
lot of software and a lot of uh

1085
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,800
already people kind of working on that

1086
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,480
outside of skyhub of course

1087
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,320
but we're able to pull from that large

1088
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,599
repository

1089
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,839
of uh development on the nvidia platform

1090
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,040
but it's a really great i mean that

1091
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,800
person who made that suggestion

1092
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,000
please join our chat and help us code uh

1093
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,119
yeah yeah there you go

1094
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,720
answers we'd love to have you anyone in

1095
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:28,000
the chat seriously we would love to have

1096
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,800
you please yes

1097
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,160
that's stephen uh yeah uh well

1098
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:35,359
uh it's really it's fascinating what is

1099
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,160
your

1100
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,560
i guess what is the mission statement uh

1101
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
what is the goal

1102
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,160
how uh you know get people all over the

1103
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,000
world you know doing this eyes

1104
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,640
in the sky that's kind of my motto so

1105
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,079
the ultimate yeah the ultimate goal

1106
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,000
really is so we kind of have a couple of

1107
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,960
different things um what's the word we

1108
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,440
have a couple of different

1109
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,880
a couple of different goals going on

1110
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,119
simultaneously but the ultimate goal

1111
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,400
is to create a open source um

1112
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,720
data collection platform for people who

1113
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,240
are interested in this subject

1114
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,240
to be able to actually do something

1115
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,520
about studying it

1116
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:12,240
right um that's the ultimate goal here

1117
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,359
so

1118
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,160
our best case scenario would be we have

1119
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,320
a skyhub tracker um

1120
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,359
you know we have a bunch of these

1121
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:21,119
trackers across the united states let's

1122
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,000
say

1123
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,760
able to see for example

1124
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,920
um an object as it moves through the sky

1125
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,440
in different locations

1126
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,880
or as you can imagine martin if you have

1127
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:33,119
one of these up in maine we put one in

1128
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,480
new hampshire someplace

1129
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:36,160
i've got one here in massachusetts on

1130
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,320
the coast if we're able to see that

1131
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,480
object as it moves across the sky from

1132
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,000
all three of our cameras

1133
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,240
that is much more compelling than a

1134
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,240
single person with a cell phone camera

1135
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,400
right that's the goal yeah and actually

1136
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,680
i can show you already

1137
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,280
a a video that we've actually already

1138
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,280
captured is this one in texas

1139
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,599
in may it is the texas one in may yeah

1140
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,800
yeah

1141
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,240
you know what's so funny is we actually

1142
00:39:01,109 --> 00:39:00,320
had we had that unit deployed for like a

1143
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:01,119
weekend

1144
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,480
and it already captured something people

1145
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,000
were like are you kidding me we've

1146
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,760
already got something cool on here

1147
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:08,320
now i'm not saying it's ufo but it

1148
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:09,440
certainly doesn't look like it's

1149
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,320
behaving

1150
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,040
like a like an airplane right like i'm

1151
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,400
not saying it's aliens

1152
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,480
but it's aliens right i'm not saying

1153
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,000
it's aliens but it's

1154
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,480
right um it's very it's very exciting

1155
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,160
stuff i mean you know we're

1156
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,960
um we're able to do all of this in

1157
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:27,760
different ways and kind of

1158
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:30,800
you know ultimately again the goal is to

1159
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,200
let

1160
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,880
is to have this community kind of come

1161
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,800
together and do something here which is

1162
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,560
which is very interesting

1163
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,520
um a question is what what language are

1164
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,800
they coding this in

1165
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:43,119
and i don't know is there such a thing

1166
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,240
as yeah

1167
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,240
yeah no that's a really good question so

1168
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:48,320
um we're currently

1169
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,150
that is a question for someone who is

1170
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,400
better at computers than i am

1171
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,960
let me say that so my role on the

1172
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:00,560
science board really

1173
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,920
is um essentially to come up with

1174
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,680
so that's definitely a question for uh

1175
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,960
steve or corey

1176
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,119
right the actual developers the people

1177
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,000
that are writing the code

1178
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,400
itself right um it's a really good

1179
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,520
question though

1180
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,440
i wanna i don't wanna give you an answer

1181
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,720
and then it'd be wrong right that's

1182
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,440
that's kind of

1183
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,280
the baseline here that's why i'm kind of

1184
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,040
not really giving an answer right now

1185
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:25,040
um but yeah i will um i will absolutely

1186
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,319
uh if after the show dm me or even go

1187
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:30,000
into the rocket chat itself and ask that

1188
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:30,560
question

1189
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:34,560
and yeah they'd love to be able to help

1190
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,359
you there

1191
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,240
um more on that stuff so my role as part

1192
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:39,760
of the science team

1193
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,880
is to actually do the data analysis or

1194
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,800
figure out how to do the data analytics

1195
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,480
so what we're actually doing with this

1196
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:47,920
stuff is

1197
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,560
we are there's a couple of different

1198
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,400
things going on simultaneously

1199
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,440
so there are um there are

1200
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,839
sensors right that are collecting data

1201
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,440
there are the video streams

1202
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,200
that are collecting the videos and then

1203
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,119
there is the analytics on top of those

1204
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,280
videos for example right

1205
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,839
um you can't just tell a computer that

1206
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,680
oh there's there's this video and figure

1207
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,280
out where the object is and whatever

1208
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,560
you actually have to code all of that

1209
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,680
and that's partly why we're using the

1210
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,359
nvidia platform

1211
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,040
part of the goal here for example would

1212
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,480
be

1213
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,240
imagine you have an object on these

1214
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:22,319
videos and it's a point source right so

1215
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,440
actually i can this will probably be

1216
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,040
better to show here

1217
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,520
just let me share my screen quickly are

1218
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,640
you showing the video

1219
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:30,480
now or something yeah i'm going to share

1220
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,000
the video so let me do that quickly

1221
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,069
so one second here let me just and again

1222
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,760
well for people listening to this

1223
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:42,960
there's also

1224
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:46,079
um skyhob actually has a youtube channel

1225
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:47,440
you can check out they have i don't know

1226
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,079
maybe

1227
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,560
only about four videos up there so far

1228
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,560
but uh this video is on that

1229
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:55,440
so yeah yeah so are you ready i'm ready

1230
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,079
to share it

1231
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:59,040
okay okay and hang on just a second

1232
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,760
we'll

1233
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,560
pop it here okay here we go all right so

1234
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,000
here i'm going to play this

1235
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,760
now why is it circular is that the

1236
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:08,000
camera it's a fisheye camera yep so it's

1237
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,560
i see

1238
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,800
it's a circular screen essentially right

1239
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:12,240
almost looks like a globe when you look

1240
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,119
at it like the earth

1241
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,280
yeah so so as you can imagine right so

1242
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,760
this object is coming into frame

1243
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,599
it's kind of slowly coming in then it

1244
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,680
stops

1245
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,359
and then as we allow it to kind of move

1246
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,960
forward in time and so you can see the

1247
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,440
time here ticking across

1248
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,520
so then it stops and then it starts to

1249
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,800
shoot off

1250
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,720
okay talk about that small right in the

1251
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,560
center right here yeah

1252
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,680
with the tail behind it yep

1253
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,319
so then it's a kind of trails off there

1254
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,839
um so now what you can imagine is for

1255
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,520
example if we do say a simple image

1256
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,440
analysis so for example we say that okay

1257
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,440
everything back here is just dark it's

1258
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,280
black it's background noise

1259
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,079
right so as this object comes into view

1260
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,480
we track its motion over time

1261
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,960
by tracking the pixels as they change

1262
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,000
right

1263
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,839
the data that we then have that's kind

1264
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,119
of pulling in

1265
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,800
or the ability that we're going to try

1266
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,319
to do or try to build into this is going

1267
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,359
to be

1268
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,319
once that image actually shows getting

1269
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,400
things like say a velocity a

1270
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,440
a potential acceleration right um

1271
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,280
and things like that from this object

1272
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,800
because you can imagine for example

1273
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,520
right

1274
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,280
if you look at say my mouse my mouse

1275
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,720
pointer here

1276
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,480
if this is an airline or something

1277
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,480
simple like that you would imagine that

1278
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,000
as it moves across the screen it's going

1279
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,480
to go basically in a flat line path

1280
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:32,000
right because airplanes as they move

1281
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,440
they don't jut us in around they don't

1282
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,319
kind of jump and

1283
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,640
everything else right they have they

1284
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,680
have simple

1285
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,640
motion right but you can imagine that if

1286
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,880
it's a uap or something of interest

1287
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,079
it might move around much more

1288
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,640
erratically or it might jump around the

1289
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,680
screen

1290
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,440
and as it makes those movements it's

1291
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,960
going to be doing so much more quickly

1292
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,400
we would hypothesize

1293
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,319
than say an airplane or a drone could or

1294
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,880
a bug or a bird or whatever

1295
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,720
so ultimately the goal of the science

1296
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,200
team is to come up with and think about

1297
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,520
how can we turn the sensor data that

1298
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,440
skyhub is pulling in

1299
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:08,400
into interesting actionable testing

1300
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,280
parameters

1301
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,160
that then we can use to test hypotheses

1302
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,599
right so for example

1303
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,520
um one of the first things that actually

1304
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:16,720
we're actually doing here

1305
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,160
is as the system pulls in

1306
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,480
um an object as it says that oh there's

1307
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,839
something on screen here that's of

1308
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,640
interest

1309
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,440
it is then going to check um basically

1310
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,880
with a registry

1311
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,800
of all of the airplanes that are flying

1312
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,079
over the vicinity

1313
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:34,640
and transponders or something exactly

1314
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,280
yeah so

1315
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,920
it can then tell is this an airplane or

1316
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,839
for example we can say is this a meteor

1317
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,720
is this a known

1318
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:43,280
atmospheric phenomena um things of that

1319
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,839
nature

1320
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:46,319
right ultimately the system is going to

1321
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,280
be using

1322
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,599
some machine learning techniques to do

1323
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,960
things like say okay

1324
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,359
we have a thousand videos of airplanes

1325
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,200
we have a thousand videos of birds we

1326
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,800
have a thousand videos of say

1327
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,880
insects we have a thousand videos of

1328
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,079
drones

1329
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,480
um teach the system then based on some

1330
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,240
of those parameters we pick

1331
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,480
this is what a bird looks like this is

1332
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,720
what an airplane looks like this is what

1333
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,520
a drone looks like normally and then

1334
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,440
eventually the system will be able to

1335
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,760
pick out of the you know thousands of

1336
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,440
events maybe it tracks over the course

1337
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,800
of a month

1338
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,240
it can say okay well these ones are

1339
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,000
probably birds these are probably

1340
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,160
airplanes these are probably whatever

1341
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:27,040
these events though this event maybe if

1342
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,240
you collect one

1343
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,640
this event is interesting this is one

1344
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,079
that we need to do further analysis

1345
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,480
on right so kind of taking the human

1346
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,560
element out of this process

1347
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,040
um and allowing you know systems to do

1348
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,119
this kind of work for us

1349
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,200
that's that's one of the goals here on

1350
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,720
our team of the science team at least to

1351
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,160
be able to have happen

1352
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:49,119
yeah um yeah i'd like that the the fact

1353
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,520
that

1354
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:52,000
it's kind of a learning situation you

1355
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:52,880
know like

1356
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,160
like training ai basically absolutely

1357
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,520
yeah that's the kind of goal right and i

1358
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,079
mean we know we can do this too

1359
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:02,240
we know that we can use use this too for

1360
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,200
example

1361
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,440
um with other technologies right or with

1362
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,760
other methods so for example

1363
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,280
um there's actually been a lot of

1364
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,880
research work on image analysis like

1365
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,720
this for say cancer cells

1366
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,800
right so being able to track whether or

1367
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,440
not a cancer cell has become metastatic

1368
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:20,000
um that actually essentially what can

1369
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:20,560
happen

1370
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,319
is um in a normal cancer cell that is

1371
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,319
not metastasized yet

1372
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,240
the cell as it bounces it hits another

1373
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,200
cancer cell it'll just bounce back

1374
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,119
right so it'll it'll hit another cell

1375
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,880
and it'll just move backwards

1376
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,720
but in a metastatic cancer cell what'll

1377
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,280
happen is the cells will actually hit

1378
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:41,280
and then the metastatic cell will move

1379
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,240
over and then continue its path forward

1380
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,240
so if you look at us if you look at a

1381
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,839
population of cells

1382
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,520
and you treat each of them like a point

1383
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:51,760
source so with just a single object

1384
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,880
on your screen what you'll notice is in

1385
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,319
normal cancer cells that have not

1386
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,319
metastasized yet

1387
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,800
they kind of sit in like a circular

1388
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,480
pattern if you measure their movement

1389
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:03,839
over time

1390
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,200
right but metastatic cancer cells

1391
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,560
will actually continue in a

1392
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,560
straight-line path

1393
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,160
so a lot of research work actually has

1394
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,760
been going on to do

1395
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,520
image analysis for cancer cells for

1396
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,040
example um

1397
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,880
and other image analysis techniques have

1398
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,359
worked worked in the past as well so

1399
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,720
we're really um we're really trying hard

1400
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,640
to learn from the past learn from

1401
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,920
efforts that have been done to do this

1402
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,119
before

1403
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,559
and also work with other groups that

1404
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,760
have done this kind of work you know

1405
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,480
what i mean

1406
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,920
so we are reaching out to the people

1407
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,599
that did the baker nun systems back in

1408
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,960
the day we're reaching out to

1409
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,359
seti and researchers and other

1410
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,640
organizations that are doing this kind

1411
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,079
of work

1412
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,079
let me just ask you this because um you

1413
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:46,000
know i know just one person that said

1414
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,280
i've actually communicated with jill

1415
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,480
charter but seth

1416
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,640
seth shawstack even though he and i have

1417
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,559
kind of bumped heads

1418
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:57,119
um when he was on the show we still uh

1419
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,079
communicate

1420
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,839
with each other who did you reach out to

1421
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,160
there so we reached out to seth

1422
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,920
who was also a friend of also a friend

1423
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,400
of the man scientist podcast and uh

1424
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,720
was interested in what we were doing um

1425
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,400
steady actually has had

1426
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,160
seti if back in the back in the late

1427
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,240
2000s or early 2000s i guess

1428
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,400
had a project called steady at home

1429
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,000
which wasn't officially through steady

1430
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,839
it was through like the university of

1431
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,599
ohio i want to say

1432
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,000
but um efforts that's what i'm saying

1433
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,079
there is a lot of research work

1434
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,720
that has happened over time to build

1435
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,960
these kinds of systems before

1436
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,119
right and we are just trying to learn as

1437
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,119
much as we can from those other efforts

1438
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,800
that have happened before so we're

1439
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,240
reaching out to and we've talked to you

1440
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,839
folks at seti seth and a couple of other

1441
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:41,359
researchers there already

1442
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,079
um we've talked to people that say um

1443
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:45,520
we've talked to some

1444
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,559
physicists who do things like say uh you

1445
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,400
know radio astronomy and things like

1446
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,599
that of that nature

1447
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,839
to do these kinds of works um you know

1448
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,280
we're really trying hard to

1449
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,480
learn as much as we possibly can and yes

1450
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,319
yell you are completely right the the

1451
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,800
heart of it is the crowdsourcing

1452
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,280
component right um because that's the

1453
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,119
other part of this too

1454
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,400
and i have a huge huge question

1455
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,640
to pop up here that kind of involves

1456
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,760
that uh

1457
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,839
it's gonna block you right out this is

1458
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,359
from over on facebook

1459
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,720
from abigail and uh basically have you

1460
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,760
thought of involving

1461
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,359
or recruiting groups through social

1462
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,160
media that do regularly sky watch

1463
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,160
etc and working directly with them not

1464
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:30,240
just but for an example

1465
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,720
the uk uh you know i know there's a lot

1466
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,800
uh there's not take taken seriously and

1467
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:38,000
the group would be able to fund the

1468
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,040
equipment there

1469
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,680
et cetera et cetera et cetera have you

1470
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,960
thought about using

1471
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,599
social media or do you already do that

1472
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,520
so we use social media we have a twitter

1473
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,960
account we have a facebook page we do

1474
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,240
have the rocket chat

1475
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,480
um right now a lot of our efforts have

1476
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,240
been focused on getting the first

1477
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,040
version of the software out right once

1478
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,880
that first software developed the first

1479
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:00,240
system

1480
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,040
um then it's kind of gangbusters right

1481
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,119
then we're happy to talk to anybody

1482
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:09,040
about any collaboration collaborative

1483
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,319
effort that can happen

1484
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,400
um if there are groups that would be

1485
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,680
interested in purchasing

1486
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,240
um or or rather getting the components

1487
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:17,599
and building them themselves and having

1488
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,319
us help

1489
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:20,000
please please do reach out to us we

1490
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,440
would love to work with you

1491
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,319
um for sure i mean you know again anyone

1492
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:26,240
who wants to build one of these um with

1493
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,040
our help

1494
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,520
we are more than happy to have work

1495
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960
alongside us

1496
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,880
awesome well you know speaking of that

1497
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,960
um someone has a good question up here

1498
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,040
uh chris has been on the show

1499
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,119
christopher o'brien that is

1500
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,720
a number of times over the years even

1501
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,040
visited me here um up in maine

1502
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,040
how similar is a setup to the project

1503
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,119
are you familiar with what christopher

1504
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,359
o'brien is doing and also there's others

1505
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:50,559
there's uh

1506
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:54,079
it's called

1507
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,839
something else now but um i i think

1508
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,160
i ca i can actually tell leslie the

1509
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,559
difference myself i i believe

1510
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,960
is this is more of a like a crowd source

1511
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:05,760
thing

1512
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,359
then and christopher's uh o'brien is

1513
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,480
uh these little you know camera setups

1514
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,880
in different places but it's not about

1515
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,800
people getting involved as far as i know

1516
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,079
maybe i'm wrong about that

1517
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:21,119
um i actually owe him a call so i'll

1518
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,000
find out more about

1519
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,640
that but uh as far as i know he's just

1520
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,079
having these things set up

1521
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:28,480
in certain places and i don't think it's

1522
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,359
open to

1523
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,440
it's open source like this i'm not i'm

1524
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,640
not positive though

1525
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:34,240
the major difference between our effort

1526
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,280
and efforts that have been done in the

1527
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,200
past although we we respect them and

1528
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,880
would love to work with them of course

1529
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,640
the main difference is that our effort

1530
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:42,559
is completely crowdsourced

1531
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,839
it's completely open so um no one on the

1532
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:47,520
skyhub team is getting paid to do this

1533
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,400
work

1534
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,079
we don't make any money if you buy a

1535
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:52,240
unit right because the units aren't ours

1536
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:53,599
you're buying the software

1537
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,720
you're applying the the information um

1538
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,800
or rather let me restate that you're

1539
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,559
buying the hardware from hardware

1540
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,240
manufacturers not from us

1541
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,920
and the software is being given away for

1542
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:05,839
free so

1543
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,880
um you know it is we want this to be as

1544
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,960
open and transparent as possible

1545
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,800
we don't you know because we all hate

1546
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:14,880
the um

1547
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,720
we hate the problem of you know

1548
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,800
i always joke that you know for us for a

1549
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,839
subject that

1550
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,319
hates that says it hates secrets and

1551
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,920
hates the government hiding information

1552
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,599
about this subject from us

1553
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,960
the ufo subject loves secret keepers

1554
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,640
right they love people who are like i

1555
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:34,079
can't tell you that's an inside source

1556
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,720
of my you know

1557
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,280
they love that stuff right and it's it's

1558
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,599
so frustrating because it's like

1559
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:42,000
no if if if you want the information to

1560
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:42,880
get out there

1561
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:46,559
you want disclosure to happen then start

1562
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:47,680
disclosing things

1563
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,440
right so the goal of this is

1564
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,079
if you collect a video um you'll have it

1565
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:55,839
saved on your own hard drive

1566
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:58,880
as it uploads to the cloud right um

1567
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,760
the idea here is going to be again the

1568
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,520
software is freely available

1569
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,599
um the units are easy to purchase it's

1570
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,960
cheap stuff that you put together

1571
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,920
yourself

1572
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,839
you can build off of it if you'd like to

1573
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,760
you can make a more complicated sensor

1574
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,040
system you can make a more complicated

1575
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:14,559
camera system you can do

1576
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,599
all these other things um the goal here

1577
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,520
is though that as the data

1578
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,160
comes in that we will work together

1579
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,000
basically

1580
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,160
yeah that's great uh let's see looks

1581
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,000
like we got just two minutes until we go

1582
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,040
into our break um so uh

1583
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:32,720
let me just pull up there was i saw

1584
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,079
another question in there

1585
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:38,079
uh this question seems to come up i've

1586
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,200
seen rodrigo

1587
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,599
asked this question before um do you

1588
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,280
want the ufo mystery solved

1589
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,920
or do you enjoy the search that is a

1590
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,359
question i guess we really have to

1591
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,640
ask ourselves deep inside

1592
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,400
oh man i don't know if it could ever be

1593
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,559
solved even if it was solved could it

1594
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:56,480
yeah no that's it's a it's a great

1595
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:57,599
question right

1596
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,119
let me let me the you know we talk about

1597
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,119
this in our podcast all the time

1598
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:06,000
if if if the president went out onto the

1599
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,440
lawn of the white house

1600
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,960
holding the hand of an alien and was

1601
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,480
like look they're real we've been

1602
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,760
working with them for decades right

1603
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,760
they've been here this whole time

1604
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:16,240
there would be a good percentage of the

1605
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,200
ufo

1606
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:20,240
subject fan base that would say i don't

1607
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,440
believe it

1608
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,280
yeah right because it doesn't fit with

1609
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,920
their own kind of preconceived notion

1610
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,720
about what disclosure or what the ufo

1611
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:30,800
presence has to conform to

1612
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:34,720
right so um i would say

1613
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,319
i would like to know i would like to

1614
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,079
know

1615
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,400
if people are having legitimate

1616
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,599
experiences

1617
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,680
and i would like to be able to verify

1618
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,000
that using data from our systems

1619
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:49,920
right and i don't mean to say like i

1620
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,799
want to know if people are having

1621
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,079
legitimate experiences

1622
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,440
i don't mean that to sound like i don't

1623
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:55,520
believe people who are having

1624
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,960
experiences um but

1625
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,680
what i mean by that is it's not enough

1626
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,440
to believe that a person had an

1627
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:04,640
experience

1628
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:07,920
for science for the scientific community

1629
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,599
right um what's important is

1630
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,359
getting enough data getting enough

1631
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,200
information that you can actually

1632
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,440
prove it to the skeptics to the

1633
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,960
scientists right do whatever

1634
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,920
i agree um yeah yep so that's the that's

1635
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,119
the important part so

1636
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,119
i do want an answer i don't know if we

1637
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,359
can ever have an answer though

1638
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,920
that's true i agree with you 100 on that

1639
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,480
all right we're

1640
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:33,280
heading into break uh hang on everyone

1641
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,680
uh

1642
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:36,240
let's see i just want to say i'm gonna

1643
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,799
uh

1644
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,119
i'm gonna go into break for kgr radio

1645
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:41,119
right now we'll be right back

1646
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:48,630
all right so uh for everyone in youtube

1647
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:52,720
uh i i watched some raw footage

1648
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,040
of right after the 1952

1649
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,920
ufo flap over washington dc and i've

1650
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,720
always liked

1651
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,559
this clip so i'm going to run it here

1652
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:03,920
during the break

1653
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,870
i am here to discuss the so-called

1654
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,119
flying saucers

1655
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,000
the air force interest in this problem

1656
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,839
has been due to our feeling of an

1657
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:21,680
obligation to

1658
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:25,200
identify and analyze to the best of our

1659
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,319
ability anything

1660
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,359
in the air that may have the possibility

1661
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,400
of threat

1662
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,520
or minutes to the united states in

1663
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:35,200
pursuit of this obligation

1664
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:39,520
since 1947 we have received and analyzed

1665
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,640
between one and two thousand reports

1666
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,799
that have come to us from all kinds of

1667
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,559
sources

1668
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,799
of this great massive reports we have

1669
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,000
been able

1670
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:53,200
adequately to explain the great book of

1671
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:54,240
them

1672
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,720
hoaxes

1673
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,040
as erroneously identified friendly

1674
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,480
aircraft

1675
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:07,280
as meteorological or electronic

1676
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,400
phenomena

1677
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,440
or as light aberrations

1678
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,280
however there have been a certain

1679
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,720
percentage of this volume of reports

1680
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,799
that have been made by credible

1681
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:20,240
observers

1682
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,079
of relatively incredible things

1683
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:26,640
it is this group of observations that we

1684
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:27,119
now

1685
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,240
are attempting to resolve

1686
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,160
our basic difficulty in dealing with

1687
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,079
these is that there is no

1688
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,440
measurement of them that

1689
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,599
makes it possible for us to put them in

1690
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,119
any pattern

1691
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,839
that would be profitable for a

1692
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,280
deliberate

1693
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,839
uh custom sort of analysis to take the

1694
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,079
next step

1695
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,839
we have as a date come to only one firm

1696
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,319
conclusion

1697
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,160
with respect to this remaining

1698
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:57,520
percentage

1699
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:00,880
and that is that it does not contain

1700
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,200
any pattern of purpose or of consistency

1701
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,200
that we can relate with any to any

1702
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,480
conceivable threat to the united states

1703
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:13,440
we can say that the recent sightings are

1704
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,839
in

1705
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,559
no way connected with any secret

1706
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:17,599
development

1707
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:34,630
well i'm going to bring us back in

1708
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,920
so i i always thought that um i'd like

1709
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,040
to kind of uh

1710
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,319
get your opinion of what you know he

1711
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,359
just said i don't know if you were

1712
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:44,640
actually paying attention you won't have

1713
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:45,440
to break or

1714
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,839
what um but he's saying you know

1715
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,079
basically

1716
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:52,640
you know this these sightings happen and

1717
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,280
he's not

1718
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,079
like discounting them you know he's

1719
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,000
saying a lot of them can be explained

1720
00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:00,000
but it's a pretty pretty interesting

1721
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,200
take um

1722
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,760
you know that that they were you know

1723
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:05,200
they had to kind of explain what was

1724
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:06,079
going on

1725
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,680
so many reports coming in um and it was

1726
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,599
all over the papers in a world actually

1727
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:12,880
worldwide

1728
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,160
press and actually a misleading picture

1729
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,280
of light reflections in the sky over the

1730
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,799
capital which kind of

1731
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,559
makes everyone think that's the ufos but

1732
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,480
that's not that's not that was light

1733
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,589
so you're so you're so what was your

1734
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:32,160
question now your question was do i yeah

1735
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,640
um

1736
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,799
so how do you think they the air force

1737
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,440
is handling that situation

1738
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:40,079
how do i think that they have no in that

1739
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,040
particular right there

1740
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,880
right there in that clip well gentlemen

1741
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:44,400
you may want to answer that

1742
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,920
ask him that one because we're coming

1743
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,599
back so

1744
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:50,880
stand by that one

1745
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:54,480
that was planned well okay

1746
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:58,079
all right stand by sure in three

1747
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:01,760
two one go all right welcome back my

1748
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:02,400
guest

1749
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,760
uh again is chris cogswell and uh we're

1750
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:07,839
we're just having a laugh because um

1751
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:10,960
during the break uh we we watched uh uh

1752
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,040
general major general sanford uh 1952

1753
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,920
uh talking about you know the ufo flap

1754
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,640
trying to

1755
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,799
calm everyone down isn't that kind of

1756
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,559
what that's kind of what you can take

1757
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:24,319
out of it you know it's not a threat

1758
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,839
it's not us um and you know most of

1759
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,440
these things can be explained but

1760
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,760
some of them can't some are incredible

1761
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:33,280
and some cannot be explained

1762
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,319
it's it was uh uh it's a very memorable

1763
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:38,000
and that's why i wanted to play it it's

1764
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:38,960
such a

1765
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,079
great clip it's it's

1766
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,119
it's funny how when watching those

1767
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,319
old kind of uh when watching those old

1768
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,760
videos or even

1769
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,760
reading some of the old analysis that

1770
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,280
happened

1771
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,319
it's funny how little has changed right

1772
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,240
in in the 70 years that this subject has

1773
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,480
really been kind of at the top of mind

1774
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:03,280
for the american um for the american

1775
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,319
public i guess

1776
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:06,480
and top of mind maybe it's the wrong the

1777
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,359
wrong word because

1778
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:08,880
or the wrong saying because it's never

1779
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,640
it's not always been top of mind but you

1780
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,760
know

1781
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,400
it's interesting that even given the big

1782
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,839
increases in the percentage of people

1783
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,760
who believe in this or who

1784
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:19,760
think that something is really happening

1785
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,200
um

1786
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,880
but ultimately the government's response

1787
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:24,880
has kind of continue to be the same

1788
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:28,160
right of uh well we don't know we we

1789
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,760
can't tell everything but you know some

1790
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:31,280
of these might be unexplained still but

1791
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:31,760
it's

1792
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,119
interesting or whatever i mean

1793
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,040
it it feels like there's only so much

1794
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,040
time that there's only so much time that

1795
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,799
you can keep saying

1796
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,799
we don't know before you say well why

1797
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,319
aren't you looking

1798
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:46,240
right like you don't know okay shouldn't

1799
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,599
you be trying to find out then

1800
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,359
like people keep asking you it's you

1801
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:51,200
know you're you're the government right

1802
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,640
you're the you're the military you're

1803
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,319
the air force you're whoever

1804
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,640
um at some point you will need to know

1805
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,160
what's up there

1806
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,720
yeah and when that day comes you know i

1807
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,799
think that's ultimately been

1808
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,319
that's been one of the big conundrums i

1809
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,480
guess with like the modern day say the

1810
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,079
disclosure movement or even disclosure

1811
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:10,240
movements in the past has been

1812
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:13,839
there's this break between you know

1813
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,000
there's a break between the public

1814
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,079
who want to think that the government

1815
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,760
has the answers and so this must be some

1816
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,680
big conspiracy to keep it secret

1817
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,880
but then there's also portion of the

1818
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,480
public kind of thing you know the

1819
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:28,240
military or the government might be just

1820
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:29,200
as

1821
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:33,280
are i think so i say that on the show

1822
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:34,000
all the time yeah

1823
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,440
and that's and that i think the kind of

1824
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:37,039
camp that i fall into as well is you

1825
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:37,839
know it

1826
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,200
it seems um

1827
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:43,119
i don't know it just again it seems to

1828
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:44,240
be the most

1829
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:48,480
scenario or the most sensible scenario i

1830
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,359
guess i would say

1831
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,119
right is that the government doesn't

1832
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,119
know they want to find out i mean why

1833
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:54,960
else would they have programs like atip

1834
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,440
right

1835
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,079
unless they wanted to find out so and

1836
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,680
also you know it comes up a number of

1837
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,799
times

1838
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,960
um you know that there's really good

1839
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,240
film out there

1840
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,799
there you know that there's been some

1841
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:08,400
you know really incredible things kind

1842
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,720
of

1843
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,359
swept away somewhere who knows where

1844
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,359
maybe in a private program

1845
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,200
uh where it can't get congressional

1846
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,960
oversight or something like that

1847
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:19,280
but um speaking of that um you know we

1848
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:20,079
have

1849
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:23,359
um there's some uh there's gonna be a

1850
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,559
bit of oversight

1851
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,799
you know coming in uh there's gonna be

1852
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:27,839
um

1853
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,559
marco rubio is heading this i think it's

1854
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:31,920
him heading it

1855
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:35,599
um the looking into the

1856
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,880
ufo uap subject but not

1857
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,559
you know they're they're trying to base

1858
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,640
it more of you know what's a threat

1859
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,640
or international threat they're not

1860
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,160
really you know going

1861
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,559
i mean it is mentioned now and then but

1862
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:49,920
it's not really saying

1863
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:52,640
you know what might be off planet that

1864
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:53,599
might be

1865
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,960
or unknown to us the

1866
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,960
i think the answer to this in many ways

1867
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,559
has always been to treat this

1868
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,280
as you know it's one of the it's one of

1869
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:04,559
the kind of funny things

1870
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:07,520
about science i guess and modern science

1871
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:08,960
especially

1872
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:12,480
is how tied up it is with with industry

1873
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,680
or with uh with you know money right

1874
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:17,200
with funding

1875
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,880
so you know the we like to think that

1876
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,799
science just kind of gets funded because

1877
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,319
the government is

1878
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:26,000
good enough to give its money away to

1879
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:27,520
people who study all kinds of wacky

1880
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,079
things

1881
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,680
but that's not really the case right a

1882
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,520
lot of government research is funded

1883
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,880
or a lot of research in the sciences

1884
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,960
gets funded because it has some

1885
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:37,119
um applicability to a problem that we're

1886
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:38,559
looking at right

1887
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:41,599
and so in my mind the ultimate goal of

1888
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,160
say

1889
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,960
a you know the uap task force or the

1890
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:46,079
government's

1891
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:47,599
new work looking into these things or

1892
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,640
whatever the ultimate goal

1893
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:53,359
of that you know would never or probably

1894
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,000
would never be

1895
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:56,000
about you know we're looking for alien

1896
01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,440
intelligences right

1897
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,039
because that's not the way that funding

1898
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,520
happens they are trying to solve a very

1899
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,960
specific problem

1900
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,720
right and that problem is we have

1901
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,960
incursions over our airspace

1902
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,480
that we don't have an answer for

1903
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:10,240
currently we don't know what they are we

1904
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:11,520
have no way of tracking them

1905
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,799
we have no way of knowing um you know

1906
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,319
we don't know how many there are that

1907
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:18,079
are occurring because we have no way of

1908
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,039
tracking them

1909
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:22,000
so what do we that is a more interesting

1910
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,440
problem i think for the government

1911
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,599
and it's also frankly easier to sell

1912
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:26,799
when you're trying to get government

1913
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,599
funding that

1914
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,839
again government funding is it's not an

1915
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,599
unlimited resource right there's parts

1916
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:32,720
of the pie

1917
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,520
any money you get isn't going to say you

1918
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,720
know

1919
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,119
whatever right get us to mars get us to

1920
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,400
you know these other things that we want

1921
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,400
to try to do

1922
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:45,280
well um you know i've heard it said that

1923
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:46,160
the reason

1924
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,599
that science hasn't taken the ufo

1925
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:52,480
you know topic seriously is because of a

1926
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,359
number of things

1927
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:55,839
it's something that um it can't have an

1928
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:56,559
end date

1929
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:00,160
nothing

1930
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:05,200
solvable and you know along those lines

1931
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,799
you know what do you think about that

1932
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,400
that aspect of it

1933
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:11,359
so i think the problem is a little bit

1934
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:12,160
more

1935
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,200
nuanced than that although i agree with

1936
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:17,039
that general sentiment i think the

1937
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:18,960
problem is that

1938
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,079
when we talk about solving

1939
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:24,400
one of the things that at sky hub the

1940
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:26,240
reason why we started

1941
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,520
with something relatively simple

1942
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:31,119
right which is just capturing these

1943
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,720
things as point sources

1944
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:33,920
you know what i mean ultimately what

1945
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:37,200
we're doing is we are comparing

1946
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:41,039
um if you had to think about what skyhub

1947
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,240
is doing in terms of its kind of

1948
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:44,400
hypothesis its ultimate goal

1949
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:45,680
for the testing that we're doing right

1950
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:48,880
now the main hypothesis is that

1951
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:52,319
there are you can categorize

1952
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:55,280
objects in the sky based on their mean

1953
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,559
square displacement

1954
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,280
or based on their vector of transport

1955
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,960
right so in other words

1956
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,119
if you look at an object in the sky and

1957
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:06,079
you just measure how it moves over time

1958
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,000
um certain objects are going to be

1959
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,319
um moving in one way other objects will

1960
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:13,359
move in other ways

1961
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,960
and then similar objects similar objects

1962
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:19,039
will will have similar flight paths or

1963
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,400
similar patterns

1964
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:22,319
right that's the ultimate hypothesis

1965
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:23,680
that we're testing

1966
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,319
that has nothing to do with ufos it has

1967
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:28,000
nothing to do with uap it has nothing to

1968
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:29,440
do with any of these other things

1969
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,880
it's very simple right it is something

1970
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,920
solvable

1971
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,280
that to me has been the ultimate problem

1972
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,359
with the ufo study has been that

1973
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:39,839
um when we talk about these things we

1974
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,839
want to talk about this like it is this

1975
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,200
um

1976
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:45,599
this all-encompassing all-or-nothing

1977
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,319
answer

1978
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:49,119
then that's how we're going to know

1979
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,559
about ufos and

1980
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,640
aliens and uap and whatever and it's

1981
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,480
going to be the you know we're finally

1982
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:56,000
going to get the document that proves it

1983
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,720
all

1984
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,319
but that's not the way science that's

1985
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,000
not the way information

1986
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,720
gathering happens right we gather small

1987
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:03,839
bits of information

1988
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,119
over time slowly so that finally we can

1989
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,280
say aha we've discovered

1990
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,280
something you know what i mean if i had

1991
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,799
to give an analogy

1992
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,920
the ufo ufo subject people people that

1993
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:17,279
are involved in this

1994
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,239
they want to find the answer like they

1995
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:22,080
are digging through

1996
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,759
um you know at like a needle in the

1997
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:25,279
haystack right they stick their hand

1998
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,159
into the bucket

1999
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,400
of sand they pull it out and they have

2000
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,000
this beautiful shiny

2001
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:32,960
you know ruby of truth right but the way

2002
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:34,880
that truth actually happens

2003
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:38,960
is you chisel away at it right you break

2004
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:41,759
stuff off you break falsities away and

2005
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,560
so it takes

2006
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,799
decades before you finally come to like

2007
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:47,600
a very tiny little slither of truth

2008
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:50,319
right um and that isn't compelling

2009
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,679
television that isn't compelling

2010
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,679
storytelling it is it's

2011
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,759
it's boring right a lot of that work is

2012
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:57,679
boring and that's i think the problem is

2013
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,319
that

2014
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,199
no one wants to do the boring work and i

2015
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:03,359
am here to say that skyhub is willing to

2016
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,040
do the boring work

2017
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:10,080
um so let me just ask you this so let's

2018
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:11,440
just say that

2019
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,120
um you have uh one of these

2020
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:18,560
skyhub cameras you know in the network

2021
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,319
catches something going say 25 000 miles

2022
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:24,640
an hour and then it makes a right hand

2023
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,600
a right angle turn which uh ufos have i

2024
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:29,279
mean that's not an uncommon thing when

2025
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:30,880
it comes to what people have

2026
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:34,080
described and not necessarily 25 000

2027
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:35,359
miles an hour but you know

2028
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,480
very fast um uh

2029
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:41,120
what where let's say that happened and

2030
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:41,920
you have it

2031
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:44,960
you

2032
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:48,159
just make it

2033
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:51,920
available like we have this uh

2034
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:54,640
and uh are you hoping to like catch the

2035
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,360
eye

2036
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,600
in ear of someone that will take this

2037
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,000
more seriously in the science world

2038
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,600
yeah so the ultimate goal so that's the

2039
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,840
thing right in in the science world a

2040
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,239
single video is never going to be the

2041
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,239
it's never going to be the the thing

2042
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:11,600
right what we need to do is gather

2043
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,600
data that is statistically relevant

2044
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:15,360
right so for example

2045
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,400
if we capture let's say out of

2046
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,960
a hundred thousand videos that this

2047
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,239
thing captures

2048
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,080
right that a thousand of them show

2049
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,560
behavior like you're describing that

2050
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:30,560
they they come to sudden stops and they

2051
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,880
make

2052
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,120
quick right turns and they appear to be

2053
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,960
accelerating and stopping in ways that

2054
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:36,239
we don't expect

2055
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,600
and that they don't have uh you know

2056
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,199
if we're able to show something like

2057
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,640
that that based on the vector analysis

2058
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:47,360
this is truly happening in these cases

2059
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,159
it seems to be

2060
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,320
maybe one percent of cases or 0.1

2061
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,840
percent of cases

2062
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,560
um and here's the data to prove it here

2063
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,679
are the video feeds

2064
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,760
here's the vector analysis we did here's

2065
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,600
the sensor data that we collected

2066
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,360
here are the gps coordinates of the

2067
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:03,120
trackers to show that these haven't been

2068
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,199
messed with or anything else

2069
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:08,159
that is compelling that's the goal here

2070
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:09,040
right so

2071
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,640
if we capture a single video that's

2072
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:12,239
interesting we'll make it available on

2073
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,600
youtube

2074
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,280
people will be able to see it it'll get

2075
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:17,120
out there i'm sure yeah

2076
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,360
but at the end of the day what our

2077
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,560
what our results will be or what our

2078
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:25,760
kind of product

2079
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,880
that skyhub hopes to do will be data

2080
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,080
that can convince

2081
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:32,320
the scientific world and so we have data

2082
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:33,760
scientists on the team who are helping

2083
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,719
us develop

2084
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,000
like this is the way that we would have

2085
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,159
to do this this is how we would have to

2086
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:40,239
um what's the word this is the way that

2087
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:41,280
we would have to kind of move this

2088
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,080
forward

2089
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,440
actually there's a really good question

2090
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:45,840
in the chat that isn't in uppercase

2091
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:49,520
i i will let me uh uh just tell me where

2092
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:52,719
uh who's saying it now yeah cl at 712

2093
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,870
is it this one right here just below

2094
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,440
that one oh sorry

2095
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,320
oh cl i see it yeah although aj i agree

2096
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:05,920
that is how that is how scientists

2097
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:06,800
collect data

2098
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,080
so let's read it yeah chris uh

2099
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,600
once uh so cl once is saying chris how

2100
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,840
does that example change if you capture

2101
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:17,840
the same event from five trackers at all

2102
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:18,239
different

2103
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,000
angles distances so that is a

2104
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,440
wonderful question so um

2105
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,040
if we have more than one tracker that

2106
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:28,960
captures it if we have three caps

2107
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,880
three trackers let's say at a minimum

2108
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,040
that capture the same event

2109
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,400
then we can do triangulation then we can

2110
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,080
start looking at more specific things

2111
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,440
right so right now

2112
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,040
we've kind of like brushed it aside

2113
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,719
we've kind of walked over this

2114
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,600
this point but when i'm talking about

2115
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,880
image analysis

2116
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,880
what i'm talking about is we treat that

2117
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:50,800
so you know we all saw now the the

2118
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,760
circle

2119
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,040
of the object right so if you're

2120
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:55,600
listening at home think about

2121
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:58,480
a think about what a video of a sky

2122
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:59,520
would look like

2123
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,480
right we have no way of telling how

2124
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,159
close or far away the object

2125
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,120
is right we we we will not be able to

2126
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,960
tell based on the fisheye camera

2127
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,400
um just because that's the way that fish

2128
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:12,480
hack cameras are designed now we might

2129
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,360
eventually

2130
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,520
through testing be able to get a

2131
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,840
calibration curve that would tell us

2132
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,360
something that's this bright is this far

2133
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:21,040
away whatever but all of that is based

2134
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,239
on assumptions

2135
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:24,320
right and we're trying to do this in a

2136
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:25,520
way that is the least

2137
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,719
has the least amount of assumptions

2138
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,360
implicit in it so

2139
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:31,840
you have this this kind of 2d image of a

2140
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,400
3d object moving through the sky

2141
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:37,120
we treat it as a 2d object so it's just

2142
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:38,480
a point of light

2143
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:42,159
on a black 2d space and then we measure

2144
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,800
how that

2145
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:45,280
light pixel that pixel of light or that

2146
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,239
object

2147
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,960
moves from point to point over time in

2148
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,560
the video

2149
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,800
that is very simple analysis that is

2150
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,040
done on a single camera

2151
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:57,040
if we had multiple angles though of the

2152
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,239
same object

2153
01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:00,480
then suddenly we can do things like 3d

2154
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:01,679
mapping

2155
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,159
right so we can tell for example oh the

2156
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,159
object not only was moving

2157
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:08,000
um left and right but it also dipped

2158
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,440
down right

2159
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,600
or we can get an approximate idea of say

2160
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:13,520
the size of the object the diameter of

2161
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:14,560
the point source

2162
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,440
or whatever right so as we get more

2163
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:19,360
trackers out there and as the data gets

2164
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,000
more

2165
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,239
as the data gets better and better we

2166
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,400
can start doing much more complicated

2167
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,760
analysis

2168
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,360
right that's the kind of goal there

2169
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,199
would be if we have

2170
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,440
you know right now again we're trying to

2171
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,800
do this lean we're trying to do this as

2172
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,640
agile as we possibly can

2173
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,960
so it's single cameras uh kind of out

2174
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,760
there in these

2175
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,440
you know interesting places whatever

2176
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,040
right um but

2177
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,920
the ultimate goal will be to if we can

2178
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:45,440
have say an array

2179
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,560
of sensors on a single location that's

2180
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:50,159
going to give us much better data

2181
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:51,040
it's going to give us a much more

2182
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,400
compelling story so let me just ask you

2183
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:56,480
so let me just ask you this so for

2184
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:57,440
approximately

2185
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:00,880
say 900 if someone wanted to

2186
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,600
if someone wanted to really help they

2187
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:05,360
could set up a triangulation

2188
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:08,080
on their property basically at different

2189
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:09,040
you know

2190
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:13,120
yards that way

2191
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,719
could so the problem or i guess one of

2192
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,000
the challenges isn't we

2193
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,320
we haven't it's a it's this is like an

2194
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,840
idea that we have kicking around in our

2195
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:22,800
heads that we're like this would be

2196
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,600
amazing

2197
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,360
right we haven't thought it all the way

2198
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,280
through yet though because so far what

2199
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,400
we're trying to do

2200
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,080
let's get a hundred trackers out there

2201
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,600
you know what i mean like let's get a

2202
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:33,280
hundred of these things deployed

2203
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,320
before we start thinking about

2204
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,719
triangulation yeah

2205
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,800
but we would have to think about things

2206
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,960
like let's say how far away

2207
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,880
does each tracker have to be from each

2208
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:45,120
other to give useful data

2209
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,719
it might be that they have to be miles

2210
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,320
apart do you know what i mean i see

2211
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,560
depending on how high the object is yeah

2212
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:52,320
because you can think like if the object

2213
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:52,560
is

2214
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,840
up in the um if it's flying in say the

2215
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,480
same

2216
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,800
airspace it's like an airplane then

2217
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,920
having them

2218
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,760
a thousand yards apart probably isn't

2219
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,679
going to tell us very much

2220
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:05,280
but if we're able to have them then say

2221
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:06,640
miles apart that might be more

2222
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,600
interesting

2223
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,679
right and that's why actually and that

2224
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,040
and that's in that

2225
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:14,239
um in that scenario what actually might

2226
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,360
be better is

2227
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:18,080
you build one um and you help someone

2228
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:19,040
else build one

2229
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,159
you know what i mean we ask you when it

2230
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:22,239
comes to let me ask you when it comes to

2231
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,120
the building i mean

2232
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,840
when i was a little kid i had one of

2233
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,320
those kits and built a crystal radio so

2234
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:30,239
i i kind of like you know that type of

2235
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:31,360
tinkering things like that

2236
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:34,640
how difficult is this for say like the

2237
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:36,640
average person if he wants to put one of

2238
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,840
these units together

2239
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:39,280
so what type of background would you

2240
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,880
have to have it is actually

2241
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,600
really simple so i have never built a

2242
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:44,880
i've never built a pc

2243
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,760
in my life you know what i mean i break

2244
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,199
computers

2245
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,600
like that that's just what i do you know

2246
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,360
um the fact that i've been able to

2247
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:55,360
figure out how to do the podcast

2248
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,040
with just like three chords it's a

2249
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,360
mystery you know it's amazing right

2250
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,760
so the fact that i was able to build

2251
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,199
this thing i'm not even kidding like the

2252
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:04,960
fact that i was able to build this thing

2253
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:07,679
is a modern miracle um it's it's really

2254
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,159
simple

2255
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:11,440
right it's literally um all of this is

2256
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:12,400
plug and play

2257
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,760
right so what i mean by that is you are

2258
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,320
you're basically getting a jetson nano

2259
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:19,920
you're taking it out of the box

2260
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:22,960
you're plugging in a power cord um

2261
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,360
and you are plugging it in through an

2262
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:27,760
already created usb port on it

2263
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,440
to a computer screen and a keyboard and

2264
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,440
a mouse your nano is ready to run

2265
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:32,640
already

2266
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,440
right it runs out of the box what you

2267
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:37,280
need to do to modify it to become a sky

2268
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:37,679
hub

2269
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,360
gps unit

2270
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:44,000
you plug it into another usb port you

2271
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,280
take the fan

2272
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,880
and you just the fan is probably the

2273
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,640
most complicated part

2274
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,880
the fan you kind of plug the pins in but

2275
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,640
it's very easy to do still

2276
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,280
it's a great how-to online and you just

2277
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,120
screw it into the heatsink on the thing

2278
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,120
itself which again is very simple

2279
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,679
um and your system's running right this

2280
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:02,880
is literally like

2281
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,239
you're plugging in usb dongles um it's

2282
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,320
very simple to do so it's

2283
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:09,679
actually it's funny you might be

2284
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,080
disappointed with how simple it is based

2285
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,920
on the radio example right look it's

2286
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,120
that's what i thought was gonna happen

2287
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:17,040
too i got all excited i was like oh this

2288
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:18,080
is gonna be great

2289
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,520
i'm gonna solder some stuff and i'm

2290
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,440
gonna get to like i'm gonna get to be

2291
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,440
all electronics guy and whatever

2292
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,760
i needed a phillips head screwdriver you

2293
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:27,440
know what i mean like i was so upset at

2294
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:29,600
how easy it was i was like come on

2295
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,159
um it is a challenge yeah no challenge

2296
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,159
the most challenging part has been

2297
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:35,760
to be honest the most challenging part

2298
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:37,360
has been

2299
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,320
because right now um these are still in

2300
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,320
development right so right now

2301
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,159
what we're doing to like run the system

2302
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:46,239
and everything else is we are using

2303
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,920
um we're basically using linux to um

2304
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,199
you know control them right because it

2305
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:53,440
is a linux system there so

2306
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,840
um what we're actually to actually like

2307
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,520
get it to download everything else

2308
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,040
it's not an installer right now it's

2309
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,120
just through the kind of uh

2310
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:03,760
the terminal window essentially that

2311
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,280
part is a little challenging but we are

2312
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,199
actually currently developing an easier

2313
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:08,880
installer for folks so

2314
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,760
you know um yeah we have a question that

2315
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:12,800
just came up here

2316
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:16,400
so pop that up uh from uh hobbs

2317
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,440
other than watching the recordings 24 7

2318
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:21,840
is there a mechanism in the system to

2319
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:22,719
alert you that an

2320
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:25,199
object has been captured absolutely yeah

2321
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:27,040
so that's the goal right the goal

2322
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,719
here with this system is that you can

2323
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,320
just leave this thing running

2324
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,080
and if you so basically what happens is

2325
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:34,000
once you've installed the software and

2326
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,280
everything else

2327
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,360
you would go to the sky hub you

2328
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,199
basically would go to your system

2329
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:42,400
so you your your your nano has a

2330
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:45,679
ip address right you would just go to

2331
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,520
that ip address in your in your search

2332
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:49,120
bar just like you do for your router or

2333
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,400
anything else

2334
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:53,040
and it will bring up the skyhub camera

2335
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,520
um

2336
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,840
ui and it'll tell you oh these are

2337
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,080
captured events we have

2338
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:00,239
right so it'll store them automatically

2339
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,320
for you so you don't have to do anything

2340
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,239
the if i had to give if i had to make

2341
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,480
this kind of analogous to anything else

2342
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,480
it's very similar to say a dash cam and

2343
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:10,159
a car right where

2344
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,920
you can leave it running and if it

2345
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:13,280
captures something it'll tell you same

2346
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,199
thing with yeah trail cam right it's

2347
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,040
it's a it's it's designed so that you

2348
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:19,360
don't have to watch it 24 hours a day

2349
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:22,239
um because despite how much work we've

2350
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:22,560
put

2351
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,679
into sky hub we all have day jobs right

2352
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:27,360
so yeah we all have other things we have

2353
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:28,159
to do

2354
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,120
um so yeah that's a great idea yeah i

2355
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:33,360
mean the motion sensor type of

2356
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,560
situation um you know i think uh

2357
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,320
that's kind of what's in those you're

2358
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:40,000
talking about the trail cams or whatever

2359
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:40,800
they are for like

2360
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,840
wildlife yeah similar

2361
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,199
looks like someone has a couple of

2362
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:47,120
questions here again there's uh if you

2363
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:48,719
could put your questions in caps so i

2364
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,840
don't miss them

2365
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,560
and uh no phones tonight i'm sorry so if

2366
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:54,400
you have a question for our guest

2367
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:58,639
just put it here let's see two questions

2368
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:01,679
wouldn't it be easier to create data if

2369
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:02,480
all cameras

2370
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:05,840
are the same size and the second

2371
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,960
question is and the photo unit in the

2372
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:10,400
desert

2373
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:13,360
has a tracker camera that isn't version

2374
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,760
one

2375
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,600
do you understand that question yes i do

2376
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,800
so yeah so

2377
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,440
um okay so the first question wouldn't

2378
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:21,199
it be easier to create data if all the

2379
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:22,880
cameras are the same size

2380
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,920
yes it would be easier but we realize

2381
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,600
and recognize that that is not going to

2382
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,360
be possible for everybody

2383
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:32,159
right um some people can buy better

2384
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,600
cameras and so they'll be get they'll

2385
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:35,840
get more high resolution photos

2386
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:38,000
right so they'll get better tracking

2387
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:39,280
they're not better tracking but they'll

2388
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:40,320
get better

2389
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,000
um better video uh of the tracked event

2390
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,920
right so that's why we need to build

2391
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:47,360
this system in such a way that all of

2392
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:48,000
that

2393
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,040
um can be kind of

2394
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:57,840
uh you know cohabitated together right

2395
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,560
it can me

2396
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,400
it has to be made to play nice with each

2397
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,840
other right yeah

2398
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,840
but another analogous example to this

2399
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,199
would be things like say

2400
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,360
um i don't know if anyone in the chat or

2401
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,880
anyone watching this right now

2402
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,320
is interested in say like at home

2403
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,880
meteorology but things like tracking the

2404
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,639
weather from your own home

2405
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,040
um those don't use the same devices

2406
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:18,880
either right those are often different

2407
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,880
systems different sensors different

2408
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:23,040
whatever same thing with say astronomy

2409
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,000
hobbyists

2410
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,440
those are often completely different

2411
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,199
systems and everything else

2412
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,520
the goal essentially is to so that as

2413
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,120
that sensor data comes in

2414
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,440
to habituate it to each other so that it

2415
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,880
all plays nice right so

2416
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,719
that's why our system has a minimum spec

2417
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,159
and not a maximum spec

2418
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:40,480
if that makes sense to you um so it's a

2419
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,280
great question

2420
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,280
and in a perfect world all of the units

2421
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,639
would have you know

2422
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,480
in a perfect world we would be making

2423
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,159
these systems ourselves

2424
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:50,000
right but we don't live in a perfect

2425
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,000
world there is not a lot of money

2426
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,280
in searching for ufos on the weekends

2427
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,280
and so we can't ensure that all the

2428
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,719
cameras are the same size

2429
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:00,560
but it's why we suggest cameras it's why

2430
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:02,000
we suggest systems

2431
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,760
yeah the second question the photo of

2432
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,120
the unit in the desert has a

2433
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,120
tracker or a camera that isn't in

2434
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:09,120
version one yep that's correct right now

2435
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,239
so currently

2436
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,719
the v1 version uses only the fisheye

2437
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,239
camera

2438
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:16,800
development work is underway for the pzt

2439
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:17,440
camera

2440
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,159
there ultimately again the goal here is

2441
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,239
if you buy or if you get the stuff to

2442
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,320
build a version one unit

2443
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:29,040
as we develop and as we make version two

2444
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:30,560
as we build the software for the

2445
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,719
secondary sensor platforms

2446
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,239
and for the pct camera and everything

2447
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:36,400
else you'll be able to buy that stuff as

2448
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,679
it happens

2449
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,520
right so the goal here is we want to

2450
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,520
start we want to hit the ground running

2451
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,600
but we also want to be sure we also want

2452
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,520
to be cognizant of the fact

2453
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:48,239
that most people if they spend 300 on

2454
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,360
this thing

2455
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:52,000
um that's that's a big investment for

2456
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,960
most people

2457
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,639
you know what i mean i don't i don't

2458
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:56,560
spend 300 on stuff for myself all that

2459
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:57,440
often so

2460
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:04,790
yeah that is funny uh that's from cl you

2461
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:07,760
ufo ufo seekers aren't rich let me say

2462
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,320
this

2463
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:09,920
there there isn't money to be made

2464
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,679
necessarily in ufo science

2465
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,480
let's say that there's plenty of money

2466
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:16,159
for like tv shows and stuff but

2467
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,679
you know yeah we're investigating

2468
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:19,600
anything that's really funny

2469
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,800
my brother-in-law um has a phd in

2470
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:23,920
chemistry and

2471
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,080
he he retired um a few years ago from

2472
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,480
los alamos labs he's actually busier now

2473
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:32,480
as a consultant goes all over the

2474
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:36,400
world um but anyway um i asked them

2475
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:39,520
the question um oh i don't know it was a

2476
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:40,719
few years ago

2477
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,360
i said you know he he said you do a show

2478
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,960
on ufos i said yeah

2479
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:47,040
he's never watched it or anything but i

2480
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:48,560
said

2481
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,320
a scientist what do you think

2482
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:55,120
um you know i'm not saying 100 sure

2483
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,719
because no one really knows

2484
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:58,239
but it's possible that we're being

2485
01:25:00,709 --> 01:25:00,080
visited what do you think about that and

2486
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,719
he

2487
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,560
kind of looked um because i think it's

2488
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:04,560
very possible i was

2489
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,560
shocked because his his usual science is

2490
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:10,560
like you know i need to see data you

2491
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:11,600
know and all this

2492
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:14,159
but i was shocked that he actually said

2493
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,520
i think it's possible

2494
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:16,960
you know kind of like yeah i think it's

2495
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:19,600
possible um how do you feel

2496
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,719
um in general do you feel like you're

2497
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:24,480
like a lone wolf or do you think there's

2498
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:26,000
other people i know you mentioned

2499
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,880
the scu which i think is great um and

2500
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,600
there's a

2501
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:31,280
you know a lot of phds in that that are

2502
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,199
interested in this topic but

2503
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:35,600
for the most part do you think it's a

2504
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,400
tough

2505
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:38,400
uh subject to breach you know what's

2506
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:39,600
actually funny is

2507
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:43,199
i have yet to meet someone

2508
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,239
in the sciences who

2509
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:48,400
um who makes who tells me like no

2510
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,600
there's no way that's stupid why are you

2511
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:51,040
wasting your time

2512
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,639
i can't need one i've yet to meet one

2513
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,719
right and i talk about this wonderful

2514
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:56,159
all the time i talk about this stuff

2515
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:58,000
right um yeah you know

2516
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:02,000
the the most i guess pushback i've

2517
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:03,679
gotten actually has been from

2518
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,880
people in in in philosophy in the

2519
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:08,080
humanities more so

2520
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,440
than science that's part of your

2521
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:11,520
education too right yes yeah so it's

2522
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,239
philosophy

2523
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:14,320
chemical engineering double major in

2524
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,520
undergrad but so

2525
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,000
the it's interesting in that way i think

2526
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:20,080
i think for a lot of people

2527
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,149
so it's it's interesting a lot of the

2528
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:30,639
scientific community i would say today

2529
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:31,440
is

2530
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:35,280
real

2531
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,159
likelihood that there are organisms out

2532
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,320
there someplace in space

2533
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,560
yeah some of them even i think a good

2534
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,560
portion would even go as far to say

2535
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,400
that there if there are organisms out

2536
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,560
there there's no reason to think

2537
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:51,280
that there are not there's not the

2538
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,159
possibility

2539
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,719
of intelligent life existing out there

2540
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:55,920
in space

2541
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,480
i think the part or the the issue for

2542
01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:00,159
the scientific community

2543
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:03,760
comes in with when you start getting

2544
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:04,320
into

2545
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:08,080
very complicated very mythological

2546
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,120
sounding

2547
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:11,360
arguments or stories about how this

2548
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,159
system

2549
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:15,199
of alien intelligence works right

2550
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,239
so for example um you know shows like

2551
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:20,560
like say ancient aliens right those

2552
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:21,280
shows do

2553
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:23,360
no service to the ufo community they

2554
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,320
they just hurt

2555
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,280
it in my opinion because what ends up

2556
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,000
happening is you have systems like say

2557
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,040
um what we're doing or what uh

2558
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,960
what christopher o'brien is doing or

2559
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:36,719
even the work that's a you know bigelow

2560
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:37,040
did

2561
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:40,480
back in uh back in the late 90s and

2562
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,239
2000s um getting people to agree

2563
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:46,320
that well there's stuff in the sky we

2564
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,600
don't know what it is

2565
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:50,480
shouldn't we study it that's not a hard

2566
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:51,120
ask

2567
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,719
for science right that's not a hard

2568
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:54,320
thing to ask them

2569
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,440
what is hard though is um

2570
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:00,080
when you then take the next step and say

2571
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:02,000
there are intelligent beings piloting

2572
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,040
these craft

2573
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,920
and they're from the pleiades and they

2574
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:06,960
can heal you

2575
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:10,880
and you just gotta you know that it gets

2576
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,000
you know what i always say is we have

2577
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:16,159
people arguing about you know the

2578
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,199
politics

2579
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,840
and culture of alien civilizations and

2580
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:22,239
we still don't have a good photo of one

2581
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:23,920
you know what i mean like it's put in

2582
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:25,760
the cart way before the horse we got to

2583
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:28,400
start small

2584
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,560
yeah yeah that's uh that is uh

2585
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:34,400
really something when you when you think

2586
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,080
about well just now

2587
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,560
they're looking at you know there's

2588
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,560
signs i forget what the particle is

2589
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,440
but it's a in the upper atmosphere of

2590
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,440
venus which is 900

2591
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:48,080
yeah that's it phosphine is 900 degrees

2592
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:50,000
fahrenheit on the surface of venus

2593
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,920
but you know you in the atmosphere as

2594
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,120
you go up of course

2595
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:55,440
it cools down uh it's very possible

2596
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,480
there's some type of

2597
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:58,800
life floating in the atmosphere the

2598
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,560
venusians like the contact he's been

2599
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,760
talking about

2600
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,840
yeah you never know man you know it's

2601
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:05,440
it's so funny we're gonna find out that

2602
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,950
and everything else it's gonna be it's

2603
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,560
gonna be trippy man chemistry is gonna

2604
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,239
get weird

2605
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:20,159
that's right that's right and um you

2606
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:21,440
know it's still

2607
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,560
you know not not talking about

2608
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:24,480
intelligent life but it's still not

2609
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:26,239
out of the realm of possibility that

2610
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,719
there was life at one time on mars

2611
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:31,199
you know i think that's a very good

2612
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,880
possibility with the water that was on

2613
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:33,920
there at one time for

2614
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:36,639
many millions of years you know it's it

2615
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,080
is so funny to me that

2616
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:41,199
it we know

2617
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:44,239
that we know you know

2618
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,639
one of the problems i think with one of

2619
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,320
the problems i think with science too or

2620
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:49,679
one of the issues that we kind of come

2621
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:50,400
to today

2622
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:53,760
is science has really focused

2623
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,080
hard on sort of d

2624
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,480
d magicking itself i guess is what i

2625
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:02,159
would say right so we have this idea

2626
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:03,520
that before

2627
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,639
the before the enlightenment right um

2628
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:09,120
you know the world was full of magic and

2629
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,639
it was full of these magical thinking

2630
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,239
styles and everything else

2631
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,719
but as we started to become more

2632
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,960
scientific and more materialist

2633
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:19,280
the places for those kinds of ideas of

2634
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:20,000
you know

2635
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:22,960
non-local causality or um other

2636
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:25,120
intelligences existing or ghosts or

2637
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:26,000
whatever

2638
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,920
all of that kind of started to go away

2639
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,000
and i think we're in an era

2640
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:32,639
now and this happens a lot with these

2641
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:33,280
kinds of things

2642
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,719
they pull in as they pull and uh push

2643
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:38,560
that we're in a time now where a lot of

2644
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:40,239
that metaphysical stuff

2645
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:43,360
is coming back and so um

2646
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,750
i guess the the issue with that is that

2647
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,360
that that

2648
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,600
metaphysical stuff can't be proven it

2649
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,840
can't be scientific right and so

2650
01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:58,560
a lot of philosophers very smart people

2651
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,159
throughout history

2652
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:02,800
have kind of chosen pragmatically to say

2653
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,679
well

2654
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:05,679
that isn't scientific so we don't do

2655
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,520
science with it we can't use science to

2656
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:08,639
study that

2657
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:09,760
and that's actually the argument that i

2658
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:11,440
would make too right with sky hub it's

2659
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:12,400
the argument we make

2660
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:16,159
as a group that um you know

2661
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:19,360
with um what's the word

2662
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,440
that with the metaphysical stuff with

2663
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,679
consciousness or ce5 or any other stuff

2664
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:25,760
that's not scientific so i don't have an

2665
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:27,280
opinion i can't have an opinion on that

2666
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:28,320
right because

2667
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:29,760
i mean i guess i could have an opinion

2668
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:30,960
but it's not going to be worth anything

2669
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:31,360
else

2670
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:35,440
whereas with what we're doing at sky hub

2671
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:36,480
it is designed

2672
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:40,480
to be based on material

2673
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,960
kind of conceptions of the universe um

2674
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:44,080
so it

2675
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:47,360
it'll play with science today it'll play

2676
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,760
with

2677
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:49,520
you know the way the world of science

2678
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:51,199
exists so

2679
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,719
i guess that's kind of a long-winded

2680
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:54,800
philosophical explanation for why we're

2681
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:55,360
doing

2682
01:32:01,750 --> 01:31:58,960
think it's really great

2683
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:01,760
that you know i mean there has been you

2684
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:02,639
know a lot of

2685
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:04,800
different people trying to think up i

2686
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,120
mean even peter davenport of all people

2687
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:13,110
the at the ufo uh reporting center there

2688
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:13,760
is

2689
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:16,080
has an idea of a radar you know type

2690
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,600
system this has been

2691
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,120
in you know these type of ideas have

2692
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:21,600
been in the works for a long time

2693
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,920
but uh rarely does it come to the point

2694
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:25,600
where someone's actually putting in gear

2695
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:26,000
and really

2696
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,920
going with it you know for instance i'm

2697
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:29,840
not even really sure if chris o'brien

2698
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:31,520
have to ask him if his units

2699
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:34,400
are going anywhere we mentioned euphotog

2700
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,080
which is ufo talk 2

2701
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:38,560
now started out in a hummer which is

2702
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:39,679
really awesome with

2703
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:43,120
doug trumbull with all um talk about

2704
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:45,440
not having a lit unlimited expense

2705
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:46,159
account

2706
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:49,120
um he was making something really great

2707
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:50,560
him and mark d'antonio

2708
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:52,880
and uh i have i'm not sure where that's

2709
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:53,600
uh

2710
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:56,719
where that's going so yours is yours is

2711
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:58,159
ready to launch

2712
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,000
at some point right um do you know

2713
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:02,159
exactly what is your goal as far as

2714
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:03,520
actually launching this thing and

2715
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:04,880
getting it operational

2716
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,880
so right now if you join the chat you

2717
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,800
can build one and you can start loading

2718
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,000
in the code already

2719
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:11,840
right we haven't officially launched

2720
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:13,760
which means we don't have a

2721
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,760
we don't have a code that is not still

2722
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,199
being updated

2723
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:18,960
right but you can come in and play with

2724
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:20,239
the beta version all you want

2725
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,000
right like you can come help us make it

2726
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:23,920
better by telling us the bugs you're

2727
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:25,280
seeing and everything else

2728
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,760
um actually recently a big bug that we

2729
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:29,840
just overcame was the gps units

2730
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:31,280
um there was something like going on

2731
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:32,719
with those or whatever we figured out

2732
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:33,920
how to fix them

2733
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:35,600
um so right now we're still kind of in

2734
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:37,040
beta right we're late beta but we're

2735
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,239
still in beta

2736
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:40,800
the goal for this to launch is within

2737
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:41,920
the next

2738
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,760
month or so is kind of the ideal

2739
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:45,840
situation but again

2740
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:48,960
um this is really at the end of the day

2741
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:51,920
it's a team of it's a team of people who

2742
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:52,960
are interested in this building it

2743
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:53,679
together

2744
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,199
you know what i mean and i think that's

2745
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:56,800
the other thing too that kind of helps

2746
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:58,159
these projects

2747
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:59,360
one of the other challenges that's

2748
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:01,040
always been with these projects is it's

2749
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,080
kind of a group

2750
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:04,560
it's a very small group of people who

2751
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:05,120
are

2752
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:08,159
um gonna do this and then if one of them

2753
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:10,000
have an issue that come up or if

2754
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,520
it's a challenge or whatever it can't go

2755
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,760
anywhere else this is really a group of

2756
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:15,440
it's a group of us building this you

2757
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,880
know what i mean um

2758
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:18,639
and anyone in the chat anyone watching

2759
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:20,719
this if they want to get involved they

2760
01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:22,960
can join the chat they can help us

2761
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:25,120
um and they can get started you know but

2762
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:27,199
so when we officially launch when we

2763
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:29,120
have that bug free code that goes out to

2764
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:30,000
the public

2765
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:31,520
um just with an easy installer and

2766
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:33,280
everything else martin you will be one

2767
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,719
of the first people i tell

2768
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:36,719
um and you can forward it to the chat

2769
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:37,840
and everyone else

2770
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,080
but please do join our chat and look on

2771
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:42,639
the wiki and see what we can do already

2772
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,400
all right now did you ever i don't know

2773
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,040
if you followed this but at one time

2774
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,600
there was the and i actually had one of

2775
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:51,280
the people on my show here

2776
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,760
the cubesat thing that um

2777
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,440
uh are you familiar with that there's a

2778
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:58,800
ufo detection

2779
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:01,920
through uh a cubesat thing i'm having a

2780
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:03,360
distortion on my

2781
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,800
background i have to change that um

2782
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:09,040
had you ever heard of that so yeah we've

2783
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:10,480
heard of that so actually it's funny

2784
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,800
that's

2785
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:12,800
it was it was the indiegogo project

2786
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,320
right um

2787
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,520
they were trying to fund it through

2788
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:17,360
indiegogo um

2789
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:20,719
yeah it's a really interesting idea it's

2790
01:35:26,830 --> 01:35:24,159
we're doing we're not so

2791
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:26,840
that was a satellite right if unless i'm

2792
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,239
missing and it was up in

2793
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:30,000
orbit for a short time not very long

2794
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,679
time so

2795
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:33,040
that's one of the goals or that's one of

2796
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:34,400
the reasons why we're doing what we are

2797
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:34,800
doing

2798
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:37,440
is that it is a lot easier for people to

2799
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,280
put one of these things out on their

2800
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:41,280
patio than it is to get something in

2801
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,590
it's kind of um the good thing about

2802
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:49,760
being on a team of engineers

2803
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,679
is you know um like the first couple of

2804
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:55,280
the first couple of these units that

2805
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,880
have been deployed that are just testing

2806
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:57,840
units

2807
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,800
they're in like you know rain proof

2808
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:02,400
plastic boxes

2809
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:03,360
you know what i mean it's because you

2810
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:04,960
got to work smart you can't work hard

2811
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,960
right work smarter not harder

2812
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:08,639
um that's kind of what we're trying to

2813
01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:11,760
do here so it's a really great idea

2814
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,880
but i think um you know it's going to be

2815
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:16,080
another one of those things that we kind

2816
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:17,840
of try to learn from right as we as we

2817
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,600
kind of look through this stuff

2818
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:21,760
we're starting the literature search

2819
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,800
very early right

2820
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,159
we're starting like i said in the 50s

2821
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,480
and 60s so there is a lot of

2822
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:28,480
paper there's a lot of research work

2823
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,840
there's a lot of

2824
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,679
just stuff to kind of slog through and

2825
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,880
learn from

2826
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,480
um and that's the process we're still

2827
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:36,159
doing so we'll uh

2828
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:37,760
if anyone from that team wants to reach

2829
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:40,000
out please do now you

2830
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:43,119
you mentioned earlier that um you you

2831
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:44,239
were looking over

2832
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:47,199
at your windowsill so is this something

2833
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:48,800
that's actually

2834
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,400
or can you mount it inside of your house

2835
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:54,159
looking out a window or does it have to

2836
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,239
be outside

2837
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,840
so mine currently is sitting on my

2838
01:37:02,709 --> 01:36:59,280
windowsill because we're still

2839
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:02,719
testing stuff i see um yeah so

2840
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:06,239
the ultimate goal here is okay the unit

2841
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:07,440
so that's actually one of the things

2842
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,719
that we're trying to play with

2843
01:37:12,149 --> 01:37:10,880
internally is this idea of maybe having

2844
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:12,159
it be

2845
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:14,080
wireless or something like that although

2846
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,199
that's going to be a big challenge or

2847
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:16,960
that's a it's an engineering hurdle

2848
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,800
that we haven't even considered at this

2849
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,360
point yet like a bluetooth type of thing

2850
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,360
something yeah right something like that

2851
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:25,840
but the way it currently works basically

2852
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:28,960
or the way that we designed it right now

2853
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,000
is it is something where um

2854
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:34,080
it is something where you can basically

2855
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,320
have it running to a power outlet

2856
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,960
um in your home so maybe it's on the

2857
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:40,719
roof maybe it's out on the patio or on a

2858
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:41,360
porch

2859
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,960
maybe it's in your backyard right on you

2860
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:44,960
know right near your house or whatever

2861
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:47,440
but if you put it inside the challenge

2862
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:48,000
that we're

2863
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:49,840
we're going to probably face is the

2864
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:51,600
window itself will have glare

2865
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,480
you're not going to be able to get a

2866
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,719
very good photo right and windows are

2867
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:56,000
facing normally

2868
01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:59,199
are facing you know uh vertically

2869
01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:01,440
exactly right yeah if we're talking like

2870
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:03,199
a skylight like maybe that'll be

2871
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,560
different but you know

2872
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,480
yeah in my house right now i think i

2873
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:08,400
think my camera in its testing mode has

2874
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:10,000
probably captured more

2875
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:13,600
um images of my cats right now

2876
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,880
anything in the sky but the ones

2877
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:19,440
are working great yeah a listener over

2878
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,639
uh facebook

2879
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:22,800
uh hobbs has this question could you

2880
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:25,040
envision school setting up a unit

2881
01:38:29,189 --> 01:38:26,560
i'm thinking of a high school science

2882
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:29,199
club etc absolutely yeah we would love

2883
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:30,400
to see that happen

2884
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:33,679
so what a nice science project exactly

2885
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,920
it's so it's it is a

2886
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,360
it is absolutely something we would love

2887
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:39,679
to see people do if they would like to

2888
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,880
um it's a great great idea and it is

2889
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:43,840
something that we've started kind of

2890
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,280
playing around with again

2891
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:46,800
um and that's something that we're going

2892
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:49,280
to kind of think about more as we

2893
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:51,520
uh what's the word as we get that first

2894
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,360
you know perfect version out there for

2895
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:54,719
people to download

2896
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,000
um if you are if you are a science

2897
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,840
teacher at a school or a university or

2898
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,760
whatever or you just

2899
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:03,440
have i don't know a boy scout troop girl

2900
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,800
scout troop whatever

2901
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,239
that do this kind of stuff and might be

2902
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,159
interested in doing this let us know we

2903
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,080
would love to we would love to help that

2904
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,520
i think it's a great idea

2905
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,600
actually we do have a science teacher in

2906
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,280
uh canada that was

2907
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,520
just emailed me um that listens to the

2908
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,880
show hopefully he's listening

2909
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,320
yeah that'd be wonderful we would really

2910
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:22,080
love it uh

2911
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:25,360
yeah great well um so

2912
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:28,159
as far as let's get let's get back um

2913
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,159
let's switch gears just a little bit

2914
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,880
um and let's talk about your podcast

2915
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,320
because i know you do

2916
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:36,560
mostly one podcast the mad scientist

2917
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,440
podcast

2918
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:39,760
but um you're you have another one as

2919
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,880
well

2920
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,960
yes we have another we have a show that

2921
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,719
so the mad scientist podcast i do with

2922
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,320
my co-host marie

2923
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:48,480
and marie has a show called um whatever

2924
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:49,520
remains

2925
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:51,040
that it would be great if people went

2926
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,800
and checked out it is a uh

2927
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,800
it is a lot of fun so she's actually

2928
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:56,159
doing now uh

2929
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:58,800
a series on the circleville letters

2930
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:59,600
which is kind of an

2931
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:02,159
interesting true crime sort of story

2932
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:03,440
that's been going on so the mad

2933
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,320
scientist

2934
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:06,480
is the show that i do with her that show

2935
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:08,080
is much more kind of conversational we

2936
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,679
talk about different topics

2937
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,320
um you know we talked recently we're

2938
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,320
doing an episode now on

2939
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:16,560
um the discovery of king tut's tomb

2940
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,080
which is really interesting and kind of

2941
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,920
some of the story there that's

2942
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,520
in the background of this figure who

2943
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:23,199
found it and everything else it's i love

2944
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:23,520
that

2945
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:26,639
me

2946
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:29,840
and the things they found when they

2947
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:30,400
finally

2948
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:33,520
found that tomb were just sitting like

2949
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,000
they were

2950
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:36,639
sealed up yesterday yeah amazing it is

2951
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:37,520
you know

2952
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:41,760
three thousand year old

2953
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,119
wood just sitting there like it was

2954
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:44,960
brand new dart

2955
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:47,119
wearing it or whatever it is yeah that

2956
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:48,000
was one of the

2957
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:49,280
one of the quotes that actually i really

2958
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:51,440
like from the last episode we did on it

2959
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:52,719
was

2960
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,679
as soon as they opened up the chamber

2961
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:57,840
air started flowing out hot air started

2962
01:41:02,550 --> 01:40:59,679
coming out of the chamber

2963
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:02,560
and then you the there's a quote in

2964
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:04,239
there from a chemist who actually helped

2965
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:04,880
there's a

2966
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,119
responsible for

2967
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,679
basically making sure all of the objects

2968
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,679
that came out of the tomb

2969
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,840
were able to be transported and safe

2970
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:17,840
from the atmosphere because as soon as

2971
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,760
you opened it up it started degrading

2972
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:22,239
yes exactly and so there's like yeah

2973
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:23,280
there's a quote

2974
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:25,119
from i want to say it's from the canvas

2975
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:26,560
but it might have been from

2976
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:27,600
one of the archaeologists but

2977
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:30,560
essentially the quote is as soon as they

2978
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:34,080
open the door they started hearing wood

2979
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:37,280
crack they started hearing like papers

2980
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,960
they were like you could hear the

2981
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:40,560
degradation happen

2982
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:43,280
it's just it's it's amazing it's oh it's

2983
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:44,080
crazy

2984
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:46,239
yeah yeah um but you look at the

2985
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:47,360
pictures

2986
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:50,719
and it's you just

2987
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:53,840
it's just amazing just amazing it's a

2988
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:56,080
great it's a very very interesting story

2989
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,960
and it's wonderful yeah

2990
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,239
they never thought they were gonna find

2991
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,719
it for a long time no it's so crazy

2992
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,639
it's it's really cool so if you if you

2993
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:04,239
like that kind of stuff so we did that

2994
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:04,560
we

2995
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:12,320
on um kind of the history of robert

2996
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:13,600
bigelow's

2997
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:16,159
forays into the ufo world which was oh

2998
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:18,400
so much research work it took so

2999
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:21,600
long to do um i have like

3000
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:24,000
hundreds of documents and pages and

3001
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:25,600
everything else that are just like

3002
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:27,280
you know oh my we couldn't have done it

3003
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,800
without frankly the work of so many

3004
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:30,719
other great researchers before us

3005
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,239
but that was a really great series we

3006
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:33,920
did that was a lot of fun now

3007
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:36,480
you can find that easily on the mad

3008
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,520
scientist podcast

3009
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,920
so i'm i'm going to listen to that yeah

3010
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:42,159
look for look for it on spotify they're

3011
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,800
on youtube

3012
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:44,080
actually too although our youtube

3013
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,480
channel is just the podcast we uploaded

3014
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:48,800
uh look for us on spreaker on every

3015
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:50,800
podcast platform you're on you can you

3016
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:52,400
can find our episodes so just search for

3017
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:53,760
the mad scientist podcast

3018
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:56,800
and we should be there yeah yeah i will

3019
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,520
definitely

3020
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,920
check that for i mean that those two you

3021
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:01,199
just mentioned

3022
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:02,639
those are the things i really love i

3023
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,239
hope you like them yeah they're a lot of

3024
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,320
fun we actually this season

3025
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,560
we started off this season with a series

3026
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:11,040
on um

3027
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,880
we did us we basically wanted to start

3028
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:14,719
the series off with archaeology

3029
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,520
you know what i mean because that's

3030
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:17,840
something we both love and we hadn't

3031
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:20,320
touched on before last season we did a

3032
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:21,199
lot of

3033
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,520
stuff and whatever

3034
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,960
this season we were like let's do let's

3035
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:30,719
do archaeology let's do some cool stuff

3036
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:31,280
there

3037
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,719
and so the first series we did was

3038
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:34,960
actually on troy and the discovery of

3039
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,679
troy

3040
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,600
and then this one i was on is on king

3041
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:39,040
tut and we have some others coming up

3042
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:40,320
too that i hope will be

3043
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,600
i hope it'll be interesting it's it's

3044
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:43,440
going to be a lot of fun so you know i

3045
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:44,639
think a a really

3046
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,600
interesting topic um you know and maybe

3047
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:49,040
you've already talked about it

3048
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:52,159
on on your on your show but is

3049
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:53,679
when they would have to change the

3050
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,719
history book when they find something

3051
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,760
that goes against oh sure like

3052
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:01,600
for instance uh when they settled north

3053
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,880
america when humans

3054
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,960
supposedly first settled north america

3055
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:06,639
that type of thing and they find

3056
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,080
something that kind of goes against that

3057
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:12,320
you know those type of fines i think are

3058
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:13,280
very interesting

3059
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:15,119
we that's it's funny actually that's

3060
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,119
kind of right where our

3061
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,440
our show sits a lot of our episodes sit

3062
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:21,040
at those points where

3063
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:22,880
we look at stories where science and

3064
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:24,320
pseudoscience

3065
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:27,679
um or um

3066
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:30,080
you know where history and pseudohistory

3067
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:31,840
or history and not yet discovered

3068
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,800
history

3069
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,400
where those things merge and they kind

3070
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:35,920
of clash right that's the interesting

3071
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:37,760
part that's the areas where

3072
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:41,119
cool stuff happens and so yeah no we

3073
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:44,800
we will we my co-host has been

3074
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:47,360
dying to do an episode on like ancient

3075
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:48,080
american

3076
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:51,280
history stuff like you know about um

3077
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,960
yeah like vikings and all that other

3078
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,880
stuff and whatever and we just haven't

3079
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:56,480
done it yet but it's all it's on the

3080
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:58,480
talking it's in the docket don't worry

3081
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:01,360
yeah it'll be good yeah i know uh you

3082
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:03,360
know columbus gets all the glory

3083
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:06,880
but there's well that's what's so

3084
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,960
interesting right with with troy

3085
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,360
um the guy that supposedly just

3086
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:13,920
rediscovered the lost city of troy

3087
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:17,119
is this guy whose name is schliemann and

3088
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:20,239
if you actually like read uh if you read

3089
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:22,719
kind of the history and everything else

3090
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:23,360
he didn't

3091
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:26,480
really rediscover troy he'd you know he

3092
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,119
just

3093
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:30,320
he went to where troy was

3094
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,800
said to be and he just went there and

3095
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:34,320
the people were like yeah

3096
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:36,719
this was troy and he's like i did it i

3097
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,440
did it

3098
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,800
it's like you didn't do anything you

3099
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:40,880
know what i mean like you

3100
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:43,440
slam dunk yeah slam dunk this is perfect

3101
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,080
right it's like

3102
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:46,159
it's like me rediscovering montana you

3103
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:47,360
know what i mean like

3104
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:49,280
no one here in massachusetts talks about

3105
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,199
man montana i'm gonna go find the lost

3106
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:52,960
city of montana

3107
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:56,239
it's crazy you know um and and one day i

3108
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,000
will i will discover that lost city of

3109
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:04,470
uh awesome well all right so we'll we'll

3110
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:05,520
skate back to the

3111
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,560
ufo world and uh

3112
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,960
and you know what you're doing i think

3113
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:12,000
is wonderful and i

3114
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:14,000
really hope you know it's something that

3115
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:17,119
i actually um would like to actually

3116
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:20,080
build myself and be a part of i'd like

3117
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:21,360
to do that

3118
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:22,639
you know but i got to tell you when you

3119
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:24,800
talk about coding and stuff like that

3120
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:26,480
you're talking to the wrong guy i don't

3121
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:28,159
know any of that stuff i mean i

3122
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:29,840
i do my own websites and things like

3123
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:32,639
that but i mean it sounds complicated

3124
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,000
oh i am believe me if i'm if i'm talking

3125
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,080
you're talking to the wrong guy i don't

3126
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:40,639
know that stuff either you know we um

3127
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,920
that's the that's why we are

3128
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:45,840
it is very simple you know the

3129
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:47,360
methodology right now is relatively

3130
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,480
simple so

3131
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:50,159
the goal ultimately is to build the

3132
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:52,480
system that anyone can do

3133
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:54,960
right we want this to be something that

3134
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,320
um

3135
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:58,560
you know the joke i always well this is

3136
01:47:00,709 --> 01:47:00,080
a joke i was about to say the joke i

3137
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:00,719
always say

3138
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:02,800
this is a joke actually that my advisor

3139
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:03,840
when i was a phd

3140
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,840
told me and i've taken it with me

3141
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:07,280
forever since then

3142
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,719
he would always say when i was about to

3143
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:10,400
do a presentation or teach a class or

3144
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,080
anything he would say

3145
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:13,920
if your mom can understand it then you

3146
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:15,280
did a good job

3147
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,239
right that's the skyhub test two right

3148
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,000
if our moms can build one of these

3149
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:22,080
systems then we've done it right that's

3150
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:23,440
kind of the goal here right

3151
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:26,159
you know so it's got to be easy enough

3152
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,480
that

3153
01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:28,960
anybody can build one of these things

3154
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:30,080
but it also

3155
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:32,159
we want it to be robust enough that it

3156
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,520
can do what we need it to

3157
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:35,360
right and actually do the tracking we

3158
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:36,560
want to do yeah

3159
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:38,080
the only thing i think about and i've

3160
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:39,760
thought about this not just

3161
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:42,480
your you know what you're looking to

3162
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,679
build but also

3163
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,280
i've asked this of you know chris

3164
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:46,960
o'brien and uh

3165
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:49,360
and mark d'antonio and what they've

3166
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:50,639
decided to do

3167
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:53,360
to do um the weather you know you can

3168
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:53,679
get

3169
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:58,159
harsh weather you know high winds and

3170
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,119
ice and

3171
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:01,600
all that how would you you know i can't

3172
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:03,840
really foresee exactly the unit you're

3173
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:04,800
talking about

3174
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:07,679
but how do you uh compensate to make

3175
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:08,080
sure

3176
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,520
you know it doesn't get affected by the

3177
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,280
weather i know you get the fan

3178
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:14,000
and uh also you know you could be out in

3179
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:15,679
the desert with really high heat

3180
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,800
that you know and may not be enough yep

3181
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,639
so it's a really great question so

3182
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:23,199
the enclosure has been designed by our

3183
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:23,920
kind of

3184
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:25,360
you know enclosure designer our lead

3185
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:27,199
enclosure designer richard hopps

3186
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:30,400
to withstand those uh those situations

3187
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:32,080
but again a lot of this is going to be

3188
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,679
about testing right

3189
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,520
as we do this as we test these things

3190
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:37,360
more and more we're going to learn more

3191
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:40,719
right um so it could be that you know

3192
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:42,800
um it could be we put one of these

3193
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,639
things out there and it turns out hey

3194
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:46,480
it isn't you know it isn't built to

3195
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,520
withstand um the cold of new england

3196
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:51,840
right something like that say um that'll

3197
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:53,280
be something we'll learn and we'll find

3198
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:54,480
out and then we will

3199
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:57,360
we will design to fix it right the the

3200
01:49:02,470 --> 01:48:58,960
beauty of this system is that

3201
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,480
um you know we are

3202
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:05,040
working with the public to make this

3203
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,760
work

3204
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,520
right and so there are a lot of smart

3205
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:09,199
people out there listening

3206
01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:10,960
and a lot of smart people on the team

3207
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,320
and a lot of smart people who aren't on

3208
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,080
the team yet but hopefully will be

3209
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:16,239
who will be able to help us to solve

3210
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:17,199
those problems

3211
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:19,599
right um and actually that was a

3212
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:21,119
question that i actually saw it's funny

3213
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,080
enough too

3214
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,719
someone asked in the chat earlier who

3215
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:26,400
decides where those first hundred units

3216
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:27,199
go

3217
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:30,080
you do the public does right who builds

3218
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,920
those first hundred units

3219
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,920
the units go up where people build them

3220
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:35,280
you know we have no control over that

3221
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,840
right if

3222
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:37,679
if a hundred people in texas decide to

3223
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,360
build those units we're gonna have a

3224
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:41,679
hell of a sky hub sensor array in texas

3225
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:45,280
yeah but you know um it depends on who

3226
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:46,480
builds them right so

3227
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,719
whoever whoever puts them up there

3228
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:50,480
that's how they're gonna go up

3229
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:51,760
um you know a lot of you mentioned

3230
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:54,159
crowdsourcing earlier for

3231
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:57,599
the cubesat um you really

3232
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:59,280
at 300 you're not really gonna have to

3233
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:01,440
worry about that you know i mean

3234
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:03,679
i i realize you know with this covet

3235
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,719
there's actually

3236
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:07,280
economic issues with a lot of people

3237
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,400
that may not have

3238
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:10,000
uh the ability they have all the time

3239
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:11,760
now they wish they could but they may

3240
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:13,119
not have the time to afford

3241
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,560
something like that but someone could do

3242
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,040
their own little personal

3243
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:19,199
gofundme or i don't know how those

3244
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:20,159
things work

3245
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:22,719
but you know possibly if especially if

3246
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:24,800
they want a higher end

3247
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:27,360
no what'll be cool too honestly is you

3248
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:28,000
know

3249
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,840
like a a local ufo research group wants

3250
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:35,040
to get together and build one of these

3251
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:36,080
things together

3252
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:39,360
they can right it doesn't have to be um

3253
01:50:42,629 --> 01:50:40,560
you know i mean it would have to be at

3254
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:42,639
someone's house to have it do stuff

3255
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:43,280
right

3256
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,920
but the goal here is that you know we

3257
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,440
want it to be cheap enough that people

3258
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:48,800
could do it even if they have to save a

3259
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,159
little bit they can still do it

3260
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,080
and really if you just want to be

3261
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:53,760
involved join our chat right we have a

3262
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:55,599
patreon if you want to send us a dollar

3263
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,400
a month

3264
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:58,320
to uh help these things happen right

3265
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:59,520
like it's

3266
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,119
it's really easy you know i mean our

3267
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:03,520
costs ultimately come down to server

3268
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:05,679
costs to store the video

3269
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,520
and to analyze and everything else um

3270
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,280
but you know at the end of the day

3271
01:51:13,589 --> 01:51:11,360
we're a pretty cheap organization you

3272
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,599
know we've been built to be

3273
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,760
um you know we're built to be a cheap

3274
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:17,840
date right so it should be really

3275
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:21,040
easy to do yeah i can't believe we only

3276
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,480
have a couple minutes left

3277
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,000
but i did want to ask you this question

3278
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:25,840
at some point and that is

3279
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:28,080
there are a number of places in the

3280
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,920
country that are very interesting

3281
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,520
someone posted on the chat earlier

3282
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,360
skinwalker ranch for instance

3283
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,440
but there's hot spots um wouldn't you

3284
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,520
want to encourage

3285
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,280
someone that's in the supposed a

3286
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,960
supposed hot spot

3287
01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:43,280
um to go ahead and get one of these

3288
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,159
things rolling

3289
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,639
we absolutely would um one of the kind

3290
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:49,360
of long-term goals for myself at least

3291
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:50,159
would be to

3292
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,440
understand um are there hot spots

3293
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:56,320
right if we look at say the if we look

3294
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:57,520
at say the

3295
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,639
data from mufon right if you look at

3296
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,400
where mufon gets reports even where

3297
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:04,320
mufon says good reports come from

3298
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:06,080
right for so when their investigators

3299
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,119
have analyzed it they'll say this is a

3300
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,199
good report versus this is a bad report

3301
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:11,360
if you look at that data the only

3302
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:13,040
correlation that there exists between

3303
01:52:17,350 --> 01:52:14,239
that data

3304
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:17,360
is you get more sightings of ufos

3305
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:20,320
where there are more people yes so the

3306
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,000
move on data doesn't support the idea

3307
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,239
that there are hot spots now of course

3308
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,719
i think that there could be a hot spot

3309
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,320
there could be an idea of places

3310
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:30,639
of high strangeness or whatever we would

3311
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:32,320
love to get units out there on those

3312
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:34,239
places we absolutely would

3313
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:37,280
um you know that is that is definitely

3314
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:38,400
something that we would love to see

3315
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:40,800
happen excellent well i have to cut this

3316
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,599
short now

3317
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:43,520
uh thank you so much chris it's been a

3318
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,040
real pleasure as always

3319
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:47,199
it's a lot of fun thank you martin i

3320
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:48,159
love it guest

3321
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:50,000
audience uh thank you so much for in the

3322
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:51,840
chat there thank you for your attention

3323
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:54,000
to your support and everything else

3324
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:57,679
please join us.org yeah

3325
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:01,119
all right you take care bye bye-bye now

3326
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,280
all right so everyone thank you so much

3327
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:05,280
for listening we will be back

3328
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next week um with tim brigham uh it'll

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be a great show

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uh so make sure you check that out

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thanks everyone that helps out

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and behind the scenes and all and thank

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you again the listeners

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and remember to keep your eyes to the

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sky